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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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If only he didn’t have those twiggy ass legs
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Why you have to point that out. Now I cant unsee it.
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If True Bankai Ichigo uses Mugetsu again will it be more powerful than the time he used it in KT?
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Dangai Ichigo was shitstomping someone who transcended even the Soul King. The difference between Butterfly Aizen and monster should be atleat same as Shinigami Aizen and mullet Aizen.
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SK Yhwach >= Muken Aizen > Monster Aizen
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@Decieved3596 Kubo directly says Ichigo regained the power which defeated Aizen, which was his Dangai/Deicide version.
Kubo directly says Aizen became stronger compared to his previous Deicide versions.
The amount of cognitive dissonance is amazing.
Yhwach was talking about when Ichigo regained his powers during Ginjo arc. You can literally see Ginjo on panel when Yhwach says that.
That Aizen became stringer thing might be just a translation error from what i got. Also how qould Kisuke know he's stronger than his Monster form ?
Kubo directly says Aizen became stronger compared to his previous Deicide versions.
The amount of cognitive dissonance is amazing.
Yhwach was talking about when Ichigo regained his powers during Ginjo arc. You can literally see Ginjo on panel when Yhwach says that.
That Aizen became stringer thing might be just a translation error from what i got. Also how qould Kisuke know he's stronger than his Monster form ?
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I think you should probably read it again. The the second page where say "this reiatsu , it's Captain Zaraki" and the other panels are shown them sensing it amd shouting it's captain Zaraki.
Can you send me a scan for that. I never said reiatsu can't be sensed simply by being hybrid. You can't sense the reiatsu of someone who exists on higher plane. It's because of the higher plane of existence that reiatsu can't be sensed. Aizen never saud he has to lower his REIATSU , he said he has to lower his LEVEL so others could sense his reiatsu , which from what i understand likely refers to the level of existence
Transcendence
Zaraki being a war potential doesn't mean much considering he got destroyed around by Royd or Yhwach. Ichibei utterly humiliated Yhwach in their encounter. Ichibei is a WP for wisdom while Kenny is for combat strength. Do you think pre awakening Kenny could beat Ichibei in pure combat strength ?
The thing is there's nothing in TYBW that i think puts Zaraki as above or below Yama. Yama dies during 1st invasion so there's nothing much to scale to , with a single statement of only Yhwach being able to handle Yama's bankai. Yamamoto was not listed as a WP because he became soft as Yhwach stated himself.
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The whole Aizen is stronger than monster Aizen might be a translation error.
Also how would Kisuke kmow TYBW is stronger than Monster Aizen if he can't sense the reiatsu ?
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Have you ever thought of the possibility that there isn't a character with HDE in Bleach?
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… cool headcanon ig
Via his technology and understanding of the SK. Sensing reiatsu is not the sole means of determining how strong someone is.
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Explain please. How does his understanding of SK and tech has to do with him guessing Aizen's powers ? It's only after he saw the Kurohitsugi that he knew Aizen got stronger.
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Monster Aizen is on a higher level of existence than the Soul King. Logically SK shouldn't be able to sense him.
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I think you should read what i wrote properly. I never said they are HD in mathematical sense. I just said how Aizen explained his evolution using the 2D 3D stuff.
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I got different translations from different sources. I don't know how accurate it is , so i may or may not brong it up later.
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*Weakened Soul King
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Then you should use more appropriate terms.
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Never specified. Butterfly Aizen became a replacement ,Monster Aizen evolved into an higher existence. Even if SK is weakened his state of existence doesn't change. Aizen transcemded into an even higher level. The difference would be same as Shinigami Aizen and Mullet Aizen
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Homie's an actual Reio clone but is somehow less knowledgeable on Bleach than Reio himself.
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So why assume it’s PSK when nothing supports it.
When did he become a higher existence? He got stronger sure but that doesn’t equate to higher existence. SK Yhwach > TS > Mugetsu > Dangai > Monster. The Old Man tells us that all the power Ichigo has used prior to getting TS was just a fraction of his actual power. Becoming a replacement does even necessarily mean that Butterfly = WSK, just that Butterfly is capable of maintaining the cosmology.
He very clearly did. Losing his arms alone alters his existence, let alone everything else.
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Yes. Nothing is there on ppwerlevel. It just states Butterfly Aizen reached the same state of existence. He could be weaker , equal , stronger.
In the Databooks. It states Butterfly Aizen reached the state of God and became a replacement for SK. SK was a being that transcended Quincy and Shinigami and had many abilities. BA transcends Shinigami and Hollows. Monster Aizen is stated to evolve into an even higher existence , also stated to transcend everything which would include SK as well. BA Aizen and SK are true Gods , a state Hikone needs the hogyoku to reach.
Putting a Source would be helpful.
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Aizen later loses the power he gained but grows stronger in Muken to possibly surpassing butterfly form
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And like I pointed out and you agreed to, this doesn’t equate him to the SK in anyway, just that he is able to perform the same feat WSK does passively while basically dead.
That’s a whole lot of fluff that is irrelevant.
Your first scan is irrelevant, we already agree Butterfly is supposed to be in the same ballpark as WSK.
Your second scan says he attempted to become a higher existence. Attempted being the keyword. All that says is that Monster surpasses the state of god = WSK … which every god tier does in TYBW. Even a held back TS does. No higher level of existence to WSK at all.
Third scan is contradicted by Monster literally not transcending Ichigo. At best it supports the previous scan that says he surpassed WSK.
SK is from the OG universe where the concepts of life and death were fused before he split them. Nothing could die. WSK died. His existence has changed.
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This mf is Undre's brother
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In the first scan it states he reached similiar existence as SK. Second says he surpassd the State of God. He attempted to evolve and did gaining a new and final form form and powers said to transcend everything which means he did transcend again.
In Ichigo's case we already know he is above Aizen whereas Butterfly Aizen was stated to be in same state as SK. Aizen evolved into his final form. The transcends all part would still apply to everyone not Dangai Ichigo.
The Noble ancestors were the ones who used his almighty power to split the world. Also i don't how death has to do with state of existence , doesn't it mean that when the split happened and the concept of death was created it applied to SK too. As far as i know SK transcended Quincy and Shinigami and looks like one too. Also Wasn't SK killimg hollows in the primordial world ? I'm not too knowledgable in this topic , might talk about it later after finding more info
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we are literally told that when a quincy/ someone with a piece of his soul dies all their stuff is now his, powers, skills etc.
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turning them into sands of reishi/erasing them (Existence erasure) not ur normal killing
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Aizen isn't stronger than Prime Soul King, stop the cap.
I can't believe people actually believe this.
I can't believe people actually believe this.
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So maybe the Soul King did devolve. But wouldn't that mean he's not on the same level of transcendence as before ?
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I'm amazed at how many old topics I see for certain verses being alive and well still.
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Question is aizen’s sense hax layered?
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Let’s bring back 5-A God Tree for Naruto to round things out
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More like let's bring back 6-B God Tiers.
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Which abilities in bleach are layered just asking,
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Lets not wank characters all of a sudden.
