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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

skippy said:
You know the Gotei 13 is seriously impressive in Tybw, they were outnumbered by the Sternritters who Shunsui said they cant beat without using bankai, and on top of that 4 elite Sternritter vastly more powerfull than any other Quincy,who also got buffed by Yhwach even more!!
Mayuri taking out Pernida is mad Impressive
He is the only person to solo(kinda) a Elite Guard.
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Yeah only Mayuri was impressive, and even then he still required prep and nemu to help him.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
He doesn’t say Aizen’s is stronger, he says “their pattern is too complex. it’s different from Aizen’s simple and ridiculously strong pattern.” The only comparison is between the patterns, which is obviously contextualized by the fact that Hikone is a mix mash hybrid vs Aizen being a “pure” Shinigami, Hikone is a chimera literally. I think it’s in my og upgrade thread, the raws you’re talking about.
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No it's because when he look at aizens it wasn't that complexed Because of the seals he had on him making his pattern quote simple.

The comparisons he makes is hikone's is complex

While aizen's is simple and super strong

This clearly implies aizens is stronger otherwise he wouldn't have made that comparison.
 
Reio35 said:
Some people say that means he would need to go all out against hikone but this is wrong. Naja literally says aizen reiastu even while suppressed was much stronger than hikones
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A specific version of Aizen was never implied. People just assume it had to be pre-transcendent Aizen because character competing with those levels of power without been transcendent themselves is ludicrous. Yet, Grimmjow and the Espadas or the Arrancars are transcendent. Aizen said in SS that to transcent you need to breake the boundry of the race and become shinigami + hollow and viceversa. The Arrancars are Hollows with Shinigami powers. The other transcendent definition is to not be able to sense reiatsu from someone who is far stronger than you. This happened with Kenpachi and his shinigami divison men who couldn't feel his reiatsu against Gremmy until he lowered it. Same thing applied to Hikone. Or when Ukitake said Yamamotos' reiatsu was transcendent. I can't believe that after all this time people still confuse the two definitions for the same word.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Nemu is standard equipment. Also which prep for Pernida? Mayuri just went in and used whatever he had on him. It’s not like he specifically prepped things for Pernida when he didn’t know his power set.
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no he prepped for the war is what im referring to
 
and nemu being standard or not still shows he couldn't do it alone. Rukia did ok but still had help from another captain. Toshiro got clapped up even after training.
 
Theendzero13 said:
When was it implied ?
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Yammy was still going to release when he fought kisuke and in his release he's still #0 regardless if he's at full power.

So that means ulq was still above all espada and no he's not referring to yammys base. He says no way he could possibly beat kisuke and yourichi Which includes his release
 
Reio35 said:
Yammy was still going to release when he fought kisuke and in his release he's still #0 regardless if he's at full power.

So that means ulq was still above all espada and no he's not referring to yammys base. He says no way he could possibly beat kisuke and yourichi Which includes his release
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Baseless assumption. Ulq is the same dude who admitted inferiority to Espada 3, 2, and 1. The base and Res of the Espada follow the power ranking Aizen set out, any form not included is eligible for exemption.
 
Reio35 said:
Yammy was still going to release when he fought kisuke and in his release he's still #0 regardless if he's at full power.

So that means ulq was still above all espada and no he's not referring to yammys base. He says no way he could possibly beat kisuke and yourichi Which includes his release
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"he's still #0 regardless if he's at full power"


This is presupposing that yammy had stored enough spirit energy to activate his 0 espada form. Yammy himself states that he can store energy to achieve a FULL release and change into 0. The usage of the word "full" implies that he can activate an incomplete release, this hypothetical incomplete release could literally just be a rank arbitrarily higher than 0 e.g 5 or some other rank


Furthermore we know that 0 is bestowed to the strongest espada so your argument is self-refuting
 
Rebirth said:
"he's still #0 regardless if he's at full power"


This is presupposing that yammy had stored enough spirit energy to activate his 0 espada form. Yammy himself states that he can store energy to achieve a FULL release and change into 0. The usage of the word "full" implies that he can activate an incomplete release, this hypothetical incomplete release could literally just be a rank arbitrarily higher than 0 e.g 5 or some other rank


Furthermore we know that 0 is bestowed to the strongest espada so your argument is self-refuting
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acc nah nvm, just double checked the panel and he states that his rank changes (to zero) when he achieves his full release. So an incomplete release yammy would still be ranked 10 and thus reio's argument is even more fodder :ROFLMAO:
 
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