EldemadeDityjon
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When ?
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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EldemadeDityjon
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I hope Imade comes back before we get an another downgrade thread for bleach. 
EldemadeDityjon
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I don't see how it's debunks anything. Manga Clearly states it as infinite.
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It would just mean that Unohana was wrong or the definition of infinite used was "very large" rather than thr strict mathematical definition of "bigger than any finite number"
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Why Almighty Jugram that high?
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as this suggests if u believe muken is infinite u are deluded and unohana is the person who sussed aizens gigai, so ks can be sussed out by someone delusional ks fodder illusion level barely working on someone delusional gg,it also worked on yhwach implying he is below unohanas intellect which takes away a lot of credit from his statement about destroying the realms so current tier is also wank!
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Questions since i'm not a novel reader (yet)
1.) What is this ranking based on? Stats/Scaling/Feats? Reiatsu level? Hax? Who-beats-who?
2.) Isn't it pretty much suggested that Aizen has always surpassed Ichigo? That in a fight to the death, Aizen will win?
3.) I know that Kenny is pretty much confirmed to be the "Strongest Shinigami" ever and Ginjo is also in the same box as Iko and Ichigo as Mixed Race and that's pretty OP in the bleach world. But why is Almighty Jugram that high? didn't we barely get any showings from him?
4.) Couldn't V2 Lille share a same spot with V2 Gerard?
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Side note, a peeve I have with bleach is that your level of power does not necessarily reflect how stacked u are in powers and abilities.
Ichigo is supposedly a soul king candidate but at the same time, I don't see how well he'll fair against characters like gerard or lille as compared to characters like Muken Aizen or SK Yhwach
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Nothing super concrete, it’s based off an editorial statement that was in the original weekly print on the side of the panels. And I think a databook will confirm it.
1. Power level, raw APQuestions since i'm not a novel reader (yet)
1.) What is this ranking based on? Stats/Scaling/Feats? Reiatsu level? Hax? Who-beats-who?
2.) Isn't it pretty much suggested that Aizen has always surpassed Ichigo? That in a fight to the death, Aizen will win?
3.) I know that Kenny is pretty much confirmed to be the "Strongest Shinigami" ever and Ginjo is also in the same box as Iko and Ichigo as Mixed Race and that's pretty OP in the bleach world. But why is Almighty Jugram that high? didn't we barely get any showings from him?
4.) Couldn't V2 Lille share a same spot with V2 Gerard?
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Side note, a peeve I have with bleach is that your level of power does not necessarily reflect how stacked u are in powers and abilities.
Ichigo is supposedly a soul king candidate but at the same time, I don't see how well he'll fair against characters like gerard or lille as compared to characters like Muken Aizen or SK Yhwach
2. No, not in the slightest, Aizen’s win con is being immortal
3. Refer to above, if you wanted you could remove him, bump everyone below up 1 spot, and put 7 Gremmys at 10
4. V2 Lille doesn’t have any scaling on Gerard’s tier
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EldemadeDityjon
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Lol.
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If you wanna use that, Uryu should be on the list too
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For an entirely off screen fight where Uryu gets waffle stomped by an Almighty Jugo who arguably didn’t even want to kill Uryu?
interesting
EldemadeDityjon
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Thank god. Atleast some people know Jugo could have easily stomped UryuFor an entirely off screen fight where Uryu gets waffle stomped by an Almighty Jugo who arguably didn’t even want to kill Uryu?
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Lmao which uryu stans are you debating?Thank god. Atleast some people know Jugo could have easily stomped Uryu
EldemadeDityjon
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Nah. I see many Uryu stans in discord and Instragram. They think he equally scales to Jugram.
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found this
EldemadeDityjon
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He is one of my IG friend.
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So Monster Aizen and Yhwach don't exist :/
EldemadeDityjon
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Ichigo taps to existence erasers and smokes them.Questions since i'm not a novel reader (yet)
1.) What is this ranking based on? Stats/Scaling/Feats? Reiatsu level? Hax? Who-beats-who?
2.) Isn't it pretty much suggested that Aizen has always surpassed Ichigo? That in a fight to the death, Aizen will win?
3.) I know that Kenny is pretty much confirmed to be the "Strongest Shinigami" ever and Ginjo is also in the same box as Iko and Ichigo as Mixed Race and that's pretty OP in the bleach world. But why is Almighty Jugram that high? didn't we barely get any showings from him?
4.) Couldn't V2 Lille share a same spot with V2 Gerard?
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Side note, a peeve I have with bleach is that your level of power does not necessarily reflect how stacked u are in powers and abilities.
Ichigo is supposedly a soul king candidate but at the same time, I don't see how well he'll fair against characters like gerard or lille as compared to characters like Muken Aizen or SK Yhwach
Agree with you about hax smoking other characters but Ichigo definitely smokes everyone in verse. Only characters who can put up fight is yhwach and Aizen.
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No one has truly faced off against SK Yhwach going all out, but yeah that statement would put SK Almighty Jugo above Almighty Yhwach and Monster Aizen
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Welcome to my Soul Society.No one has truly faced off against SK Yhwach going all out, but yeah that statement would put SK Almighty Jugo above Almighty Yhwach and Monster Aizen
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Multiple Zanpakutous Hax Ichigo incoming!?
Or Aizen’s Kyoka Suigetsu? Like in his fight with Yhwach where Renji’s Bankai could be seeing on Ichigo’s illusion? Evil Ichigo = Aizen = Kazui’s father…
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Ichigo is currently sealed in Muken.
I’ve always subscribed to the idea of Ichigo being able to control the form/appearance of his sword.
Yomi_Schwarz
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I think the debate between who surpasses who when it comes to Ichigo and Aizen is: Mixed Race vs. Hogyoku
In my case, I think hogyoku is better.
In my case, I think hogyoku is better.
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AP wise Ichigo stomps Aizen; however, Ichigo has no way to permanently kill Aizen. Also, mixed race >>>>>>>>> Hogyoku. We see a direct comparison between Ichigo and Aizen, Ichigo after unlocking some of the true power of his mixed race >>>>>>>> Hogyoku Aizen after evolving like 4 times. And then Ginjo and Hikone can reach ~Muken Aizen levels of power due to being mixed races. Mixed race is so much better for raw power.
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But we never saw the upper limit of the hogyoku evolution, right? If Aizen wasn't hindered by plo-I mean "inhibitions" then he would have just kept on evolving? (In fact, I remember BBS creating a concept art of what Aizen's next evolution would have looked like here).
I definitely agree that in terms of raw stats, Mixed Race would be better but I don't see mixed race trumping over the hogyoku in terms of potency and overall development. (I mean, the hogyoku can create beings like the soul king after all).
Idk, I'm just in the preconception that the hogyoku can do what being a mixed race can, and then some. (But not as quick i suppose)
Yomi_Schwarz
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hell arc is not complete until we see these forms of Aizen and Ichigo working together to fight Hogyoku resurreccion Espadas and HELL YHWACH 
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Didn't Aizen lose the transcended powers from the hogyoku? The only abilities he still has from it are immortality (doesn't seem to regen as fast as before) and fusing with his Zanpakuto .
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Imo Muken Aizen is not as powerful as monster Aizen
Yomi_Schwarz
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Urahara literally says that he's more powerful now than he was before.
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I've sent the raw panel where Urahara said that to Arc to translate , but from what i've seen Urahara says he got stronger since his fight woth Ichigo. What happened at the end of the fight ? He lost his forms and powers.
Urahara sau the hogyoku rejected Aizen
Ichigo said Aizen's atleast suconsciously wanted be just a normal soul reaper. So possibly hogyoku fullfilled that wish.
Even going by both theories Aizen lost the powers. Aizen getting stronger could just mean he got stronger from his normal base form. If Ichigo grow stronger from his Dangai training i see no reason why Aizen wouldn't be able to do the same.
Urahara sau the hogyoku rejected Aizen
Ichigo said Aizen's atleast suconsciously wanted be just a normal soul reaper. So possibly hogyoku fullfilled that wish.
Even going by both theories Aizen lost the powers. Aizen getting stronger could just mean he got stronger from his normal base form. If Ichigo grow stronger from his Dangai training i see no reason why Aizen wouldn't be able to do the same.
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Also it majes no sense for Yhwach to release someone like Aizen who by statements should be far above the likes of Ichibei considering all the intel he and the quincies gathered over the years.
