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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

That statement is within the context of The Anti-Thesis surpassing The Almighty, not Uryu's power-level surpassing Jugram's.

actually read the statement thoroughly guys.
 
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Where is that from? And Ishida can’t be seen by almighty? What’s the context
 
Yhwach and Jugram deadass stated that in the manga -_- I’ve literally been saying this forever now. Y’all mrks this ain’t new info
Thats a cap I only recall yhwach implying his power is greater then almighty, its never blatantly said uryu is unseen by almighty theres even a few instances where almighty haschwalth can see uryu future. Did Bleach fans really miss precog resistance for uryu
 
Tousen needs an overhaul. The scaling of this character (my favorite) makes no sense. The first time he fights he defeats Uryu who has no powers. Then he is able to cut Kenpachi (who isn't even defending himself) and is defeated by Kenpachi in the soul society who still has his eye patch on. Same Kenpachi who lost to Ichigo (his words) and Tousen was using his Bankai. The same Kenpachi who fought Komamura's Bankai off-camera and Komamura went running to where Yamamoto, Shunsui and Ukitake were according to Kenpachi. Then Kenpachi is on par with Noitra and Yammy. While Tousen which cut Shinji, and Grimmjow is practically inconsistent against Komamura's Bankai while he needs Hollowfication and Ressurection to be able to go against Komamura's Bankai. Scaling is all over the place, when V agreed that Shinigami won’t get much stronger in a few months compared to the years they have trained.

Yammy > SS Arc - Shikai Ichigo = No eye patch Kenpachi = Noitra > Eye patch Kenpachi > Komamura’s Bankai = Tousen Hollowfication/Ressurection > Tousen Bankai > Tousen > Shinji > Grimmjow

Tousen shouldn’t scale above all the Espadas at all. I have a hard time believing Tousen is above Ulquiorra.
 
Hey if I want to add a new verse to wiki what are the procedures need to follow.

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Thanks 👍
 
Have we ever seen how pernida moves???

When he sprouts out as an entire hand...how does he get around??? O___O

I....can't remember so im askin....
 
Yammy > SS Arc - Shikai Ichigo = No eye patch Kenpachi = Noitra > Eye patch Kenpachi > Komamura’s Bankai = Tousen Hollowfication/Ressurection > Tousen Bankai > Tousen > Shinji > Grimmjow
This falls apart considering you scale SS Kenpachi above AA Kenpachi. Can’t do that, nothing connects the two. You also can’t say SS Sajin = FKT Sajin, again there’s been a month passing. Mrk
 
This falls apart considering you scale SS Kenpachi above AA Kenpachi. Can’t do that, nothing connects the two.
SS Arc Kenpachi was not using full power. Arrancar Arc was using Full power.
You also can’t say SS Sajin = FKT Sajin, again there’s been a month passing. Mrk
Is there any evidence these characters trained in 6 months? What training in six months put them above other characters which they couldn’t get in years of training? 🤔
 
SS Arc Kenpachi was not using full power. Arrancar Arc was using Full power.
SS wasn’t using his absolute full power but he wasn’t nearly as strong as HM considering SS was so close to dying that his own Zan Spirit thought he was dead. Kenny’s Zenkai would have been huge.
Is there any evidence these characters trained in 6 months? What training in six months put them above other characters which they couldn’t get in years of training? 🤔
……. they were ordered to train and get stronger by Yama?
 
Is there any evidence these characters trained in 6 months?
At best we don’t know and therefore cannot assert any correlation between SS Kenpachi and AA Kenpachi. Especially when many months pass (I don’t think it was 6 but point stands). We know the Gotei 13 was preparing for war, so there ya go. Just like you can’t assume the me multiple months ago is the same as the me now, until you’re given due reason to do so, you can’t assume Kenpachi/Komamura/whoever stayed at the same level of power.
 
At best we don’t know and therefore cannot assert any correlation between SS Kenpachi and AA Kenpachi. Especially when many months pass (I don’t think it was 6 but point stands). We know the Gotei 13 was preparing for war, so there ya go. Just like you can’t assume the me multiple months ago is the same as the me now, until you’re given due reason to do so, you can’t assume Kenpachi/Komamura/whoever stayed at the same level of power.
I could be wrong, but didn’t Kenpachi straight up say he’d been slacking and not training and that’s why he was having a tough time against Nnoitora?
 
No, he says he wasn’t taking the fight seriously. Aka he was playing too much and if he didn’t get serious he’d die.
 
I could be wrong, but didn’t Kenpachi straight up say he’d been slacking and not training and that’s why he was having a tough time against Nnoitora?
SAFWY states that Zaraki didn't train, and Azashiro was surprised that he lost to SS arc Ichigo then he was strong enough to beat Nnoitora, and he and Aizen explained that by what we knew later in early TYBW from Unohana when she was training Kenpachi in Muken, that you know, he releases more Reiatsu depends on how strong is his opponent + the more he fights the more he gets stronger.
So yes he probably didn't train but he is stronger than SS arc.
 
SS wasn’t using his absolute full power but he wasn’t nearly as strong as HM considering SS was so close to dying that his own Zan Spirit thought he was dead. Kenny’s Zenkai would have been huge.
Doesn’t change much. Komamura’s Bankai couldn’t against a Base Eyepatch Kenpachi but next time we see him he goes against Ressurection Tousen who is supposed to be above Ulquiorra? 🤔
……. they were ordered to train and get stronger by Yama?
Scan?
 
At best we don’t know and therefore cannot assert any correlation between SS Kenpachi and AA Kenpachi. Especially when many months pass (I don’t think it was 6 but point stands). We know the Gotei 13 was preparing for war, so there ya go. Just like you can’t assume the me multiple months ago is the same as the me now, until you’re given due reason to do so, you can’t assume Kenpachi/Komamura/whoever stayed at the same level of power.
Months of training >>> years of training don’t add up. Inconsistent.
 
Arc are you still arguing the 1000x for Transcends in the Tier 5 Thread?.

Because if you still are i have some other feats that that corroborates the 1000x being a low-ball.
 
BTW the dimension of valley of scream that got nuked had a star doesn't that scale somewhere. As Senna could manipulate that many souls to push two world. Where SK can manipulate souls even better than that. Ichigo killed of weakened SK. Atleast Star level.
 
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Regarding Hikone's SoL movement, the official translations use "made it seems as though" which is a bit metaphorical imo, is Wiz correct or is the litteral translation lacking the "as though" which in that case would mean he actually moved that fast ?
 
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