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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
- Thread starter Zoro21043
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I agree with you.. sorry if i was wrong in something
Just my opinion as shown in the war.
I for example don't see ichigo slashing gerard in the last shape (after being uploaded by zaraki's power) as easily as he slashed yhwach
But you have a better basis for your argument, I don't say you're wrong
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Not knowing how to evaluate or rate something is really a thing we should avoid in the first place, things like “but I feel he is that strong he must be that strong” or “I feel he has less durability he is not same as ap“
when we can’t really prove that is true especially knowing how bleach work then you can’t simply assume those thing, they can be discussed in a bleach general thread like now, but you can’t really put those justification in the profile, feeling are not a justification. We need concrete proof .
when we can’t really prove that is true especially knowing how bleach work then you can’t simply assume those thing, they can be discussed in a bleach general thread like now, but you can’t really put those justification in the profile, feeling are not a justification. We need concrete proof .
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But gremmy needs reishi/reatsu too
I don't consider this for any work... except for PS or feats
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Gremmy is just a brain that can fly, his body just is as strong as he wants and it is created by him, you can’t compare gremmy to other people
also, how can it makes sense to you that Gerard has better durability than Yhwach gerard has Inferior durability than base Yhwach let alone an Yhwach that amped himself only kubo knows how many times
also, how can it makes sense to you that Gerard has better durability than Yhwach gerard has Inferior durability than base Yhwach let alone an Yhwach that amped himself only kubo knows how many times
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not a good argument to base strength on the amount of reiatsu considering jushiro is stated to have more reiatsu than any of the captains
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No that is not what it is saying, just from that statement the sk is putting something over hell to encompass and contain it. In other translations it directly says a world will serve as its lid. So either hell is already a multiverse and the sk puts a multiversal sized world on top to cover it. Hell is just a pit and he puts a multiverse on top to cover it.I lean to the former because it says the original realm was split into 3 not 4.
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You cant use Jushiro because Jushiro's most power was used to restrict his illness, he couldnt use his full reiatsu as a fighter like others
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Yes, but that's only true for his true body : his brain. All of the rest is just a product of his imagination and that vary greatly depending of what he imagine himself to be.
Well, we have clear explanation and feats in Bleach that attack potency is equal to durability. In fact, Arrancar and Quincy can even have better durability than their attack potency thank to their Hierro/Blue Vene.
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1-) even being a brain, it needs a power source... Just as there are also limits
2-) I didn't say Gerard Base... I'm talking about a Gerard who used the "MIRACLE", and it was much stronger than the joining of the power of several characters that hurt him..
Let's not forget that his power is this... just as he took it from zaraki's bankai and then came back stronger than zaraki's bankai attack
Soon I referred to Gerard uploaded several times... Which, in my opinion, had a higher resistance, yes
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It's a more complex topic..
1-) The brain also needs energy to create something. That is, reishi/reatsu
2-) Soi Fong for example... would never resist his bankai, even with reatsu to create this damage...
Barragan needed "RESPIRA" to defend against bankai de soi Fong
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we have no idea how Soi-fon would fare against her own bankai so i don't see your point.
Barragan still survived a point blank shot of soi-fon's bankai and was only injured . He could still fight no problem.
Also , gremmy's brain needing reishi isn't the problem , as zaraki never injured his brain, only the bodies the brain created by hax.
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Reiatsu
Reishi is the spirit matter
Reishi is the spirit matter
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I’m unsure what is the contention is with gremmy, any ability he will display is under his power. A brain can’t box, Which means his creation of a realm containing multiple solar systems/star clusters/galaxy. Is inferior to kenpachi, it specifically being said, cfyow III page 326
” he had even materialized a gigantic meteorite and outer
space itself in the Seireitei. In the end, he had imagined a power
that would outstrip Kenpachi Zaraki, which had ended up bring
ing about his own downfall when he was unable to imagine a
body that could bear that power” so while before he was capable of baring multi solar-galaxy lvls of power now he is incapable of withstanding this tier. Meaning kenpachi > gremmy ?
It’s even more so specified spiritual energy, cfyow III page 326 “Liltotto had seen the moment that Gremmy's body had
collapsed and had even confirmed that his spiritual pressure
had entirely ceased.” This should just directly be anyone relative to shikai eye patchless kenpachi > multiple star/solar systems/star clusters/galaxy?
Is it that it’s not his own body? The body is also created ? But his body feels the fatigue of his attacks and can be ruptured. And when he dies that firstly dissipates, sooooooooooooo what’s the problem…?
” he had even materialized a gigantic meteorite and outer
space itself in the Seireitei. In the end, he had imagined a power
that would outstrip Kenpachi Zaraki, which had ended up bring
ing about his own downfall when he was unable to imagine a
body that could bear that power” so while before he was capable of baring multi solar-galaxy lvls of power now he is incapable of withstanding this tier. Meaning kenpachi > gremmy ?
It’s even more so specified spiritual energy, cfyow III page 326 “Liltotto had seen the moment that Gremmy's body had
collapsed and had even confirmed that his spiritual pressure
had entirely ceased.” This should just directly be anyone relative to shikai eye patchless kenpachi > multiple star/solar systems/star clusters/galaxy?
Is it that it’s not his own body? The body is also created ? But his body feels the fatigue of his attacks and can be ruptured. And when he dies that firstly dissipates, sooooooooooooo what’s the problem…?
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Oh btw we accept that Gremmy's "galaxy room" would scale to him, there's no contentions there, it was just ruled an outlier in comparison to the other feats. So it's not that Gremmy's tier 3 feat is being called into question, it was more so the consistency of characters being that level which was called into question.
, then on a completely unrelated note the 2nd bleach ova has ichigo defeat Baishin who was going to destroy the world. So where’s multi cont to planetary ichigo ?
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We don't need to scale character to Gremmy but his creation feat should be updated right. Beside he is referred Strongest stern there and he was equal to Yhwach. I think Yhwach base should scale to Gremmy. I don't see any anti feats. How could characters jump from multi continental to uni+ . Yhwach base being Multi continental is really low ball.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Whatever even if we don't scale Kenpachi to Gremmy. Atleast we should scale Yhwach to Gremmy. Doesn't that make sense it's even stated in LN.
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That would be consistent with 3B Yhwach
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Please stop, I tried to explain but you are not even formulating arguments right now, just pure bias, even completely ignoring that the Yhwach Aizen fought absorbed the strongest Gerard Inside himself, honestly your opinion is just wrong at this point I think you are just trolling, which I kindly suggest you to stop
Yhwach is superior to Gerard in every single aspects, even by the narrative that place Yhwach as the ultimate villain ever for Bleach, and Gerard just one of his minions.
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barragan > soi fong
soi Fong was surprised that barragan resisted her attack.
calling him immortal or invulnerable
soon she couldn't resist her bankai... Just like yamamoto almost died by a kidou who would cast in aizen, or wouldn't resist for long against his bankai.. Just as it was easily cut by your bankai's blade
I'm not trolling, sorry, but I'm giving my opinion..
I just disagree with one thing. The work shows no signs that resistance will always be the same as attack..
The base yhwach has never been shown to have more resistance than gerad + miracle. At most it would take the same resistance
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Soi Fon only hurt barragan with her bankai ,wich isn't a regular attack. She mention herself that normally she can only fire 1 time every 3 days . Clearly this indicate that her bankai drain most of her reiryoku for a single much stronger shot wich doesn't compare to her usual stats and wich most characther can't do.
Soi Fon is clearly wrong on both terms. Barragan isn't immortal, proven by the fact that he died. And he isn't invulnerable either, proven by the fact that he was damaged by her bankai.
Yama didn't almost died from a kido, what are you talking about ? He got hurt by his own prep time attack ,trying to protect the living world and then,while already weakened, used a kido that destroy his arm to try to hurt Aizen.
And yes, his bankai is so powerfull that it hurt him as well but that's is a feat for his bankai only. The fact that he can resist his own power in normal conditions prove that his durability is in the rank as his Attack Potency.
Just like bankai kenpatchi can't handle his full power without his body exploding. Some Bleach characthers have techniques or modes that surpass their own durability , but most of the time ,attack potency is in the same rank as their durability, because their can tank their own power.
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I don't want to be boring and I apologize.. But in my view the work does not support its assertion of attack = resistance.
The resistance in bleach is resumed more by PS, which is what I agree
I didn't say barragan is immortal ... Only that soi Fong was surprised
Yamma doesn't support his bankai, he's probably similar to barragan that supports his power externally...
yama was totally injured with just his shikai on his body.. Bankai >>>>>> Shikai
Ichigo VL vs Ulquiorra 2nd res : Oscurs cero and ichigo cero were tied, and even so ichigo's cero nearly killed Ulquiorra
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Because they claim that yhwach has universal resistance..
The work has already shown several signs of characters taking wounds from blows below their attack potential.
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I understand.. But it didn't apply much in practice..
Just like the famous reatsu law that kubo forgot -> said by aizen
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It does apply though? People need to be strong enough to survive their own stuff. We see this at the start of the series and at the end of the series. He definitely didn’t forget.
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Before registering on this forum, I always followed your posts ..
I respect you a lot.. I know you have a much greater knowledge of the work than I do.
but honestly I don't really agree with this thought... for the biggest reasons that several characters take a lot of damage for an attack lower than yours.
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The key rectification to that is AP is “relative” to durability. Aka they’re in the same realm of power but they don’t have to be completely equal.
Like maybe my AP is a 99 and by durability is an 88, so an opponent with a 93 AP is still weaker than me but can hurt me. Which is the case with the passive durability Kenpachi describes.
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Mrk, respect this
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So when is Arc gonna become a Moderator? 
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So Zaraki Bankai can't cut ichigo??
