BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Loyd]

my protagonist is looking hella sus rn

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yo what is up with evil Ichigo!? And is that the same kanji over him from the Hell Arc title? (I can’t tell I’m on my phone)

Edit: yo wait that kanji over “evil Ichigo” is the Hell Arc title! Yoooo could we be seeing an Ichigo gone bad

 

[Loyd]

Yo what is up with evil Ichigo!? And is that the same kanji over him from the Hell Arc title? (I can’t tell I’m on my phone)

Edit: yo wait that kanji over “evil Ichigo” is the Hell Arc title! Yoooo could we be seeing an Ichigo gone bad

heres the full scan from jaymes twitter

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Yo what is up with evil Ichigo!? And is that the same kanji over him from the Hell Arc title? (I can’t tell I’m on my phone)

Edit: yo wait that kanji over “evil Ichigo” is the Hell Arc title! Yoooo could we be seeing an Ichigo gone bad

How would they even deal with an evil ichigo

 

[CalmHill]

Hey, I wanted to ask what the standing of the movies are ? Senna is talked about but not Hell verse where Kubo says Hell is a multiverse directly from the concepts arts for hell. So even if the movie isn't considered cannon shouldn't kobo's direct statement for it be?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

How would they even deal with an evil ichigo

Plot

 

[YukaSama4]

Yo what is up with evil Ichigo!? And is that the same kanji over him from the Hell Arc title? (I can’t tell I’m on my phone)

How would they even deal with an evil ichigo

That's why Aizen and Kisuke are allies.

Every time I hear 2-C Bleach part of me dies inside and wishes I never upgraded the verse to 3-A/Low 2-C

Bleach is low 1C

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Hey, I wanted to ask what the standing of the movies are ? Senna is talked about but not Hell verse where Kubo says Hell is a multiverse directly from the concepts arts for hell. So even if the movie isn't considered cannon shouldn't kobo's direct statement for it be?

I mean right now? No, reason for that is cus he is doing a hell verse arc, some things have been made cannon now like the chains (we don't know if they are "indestructible" like on the movie tho)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Beach is low 1C

Yhwach is omnipotence. So he is boundless.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hey just asking if hell is really multiverse then SK power is used to seal hell doesn't that make him multiversal ?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hey, I wanted to ask what the standing of the movies are ? Senna is talked about but not Hell verse where Kubo says Hell is a multiverse directly from the concepts arts for hell. So even if the movie isn't considered cannon shouldn't kobo's direct statement for it be?

Second movie also stated something like that. Hell has infinite dimensions with space time

 

[Shadyboi0]

Hell has infinite dimensions with space time

are each of the dimensions infinitely bigger than each other?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

are each of the dimensions infinitely bigger than each other?

Still not canon bro. In second movie Mayuri stated hell is infinite dimensions of space time. In 4th movie it's stated as hell is Multiversal. I am just referring both and saying possibly hell is Multiverse. But it's all up to Kubo.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Still not canon bro.

I know. im just curious. im not trying to get bleach to 1-C

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

We don't really have much info currently

Also even if hell was a multiverse or higher it would not scale to anyone, SK did not create the place

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

We don't really have much info currently

Also even if hell was a multiverse or higher it would not scale to anyone, SK did not create the place

But his power was used to seal off right. Isn't that makes anything. Well it's all up to kubo how he writes it

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I know. im just curious. im not trying to get bleach to 1-C

Not really if hell is Multiversal. Bleach would just becomes multiversal Cosmology. There is no higher Dimensionality to say 1C

 

[YukaSama4]

Also even if hell was a multiverse or higher it would not scale to anyone, SK did not create the place

It would, there is the possibility that hell is inside the Garganta.
So Yhwach destroying the Garganta means he was going to destroy something larger than hell, if that happens it will upgrade all the god tiers

 

[AnonymousBlank]

you are a mrk

idk why people are jumping on the uni bleach shit whether its an upgrade or downgrade.

again its possibly Low 2-C for a reason

Apparently timespace and timespace continuum aren’t the same thing so even though Yhwach is gonna nuke everything SK made, people want to take away his Tier 2. The 2-C Yhwach is just a blatant feat of merging timespaces. If they wanna say Yhwach’s realm destruction doesn’t qualify for Low 2-C, then he has to go to 3-A and/or 2-C.

 

[YukaSama4]

I remember once DT told arc that the current accepted cosmology and Senna’s feat support 2C
Arc refused because he is a Bleach hater who doesn't want it to become this strong

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Apparently timespace and timespace continuum aren’t the same thing so even though Yhwach is gonna nuke everything SK made, people want to take away his Tier 2. The 2-C Yhwach is just a blatant feat of merging timespaces. If they wanna say Yhwach’s realm destruction doesn’t qualify for Low 2-C, then he has to go to 3-A and/or 2-C.

SK creation feat scale to atleast two space time continuum. Realms has different timelines. Its even proven. Yhwach scales to SK. Bleach should be tier 2.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It would, there is the possibility that hell is inside the Garganta.
So Yhwach destroying the Garganta means he was going to destroy something larger than hell, if that happens it will upgrade all the god tiers

Garganta created after three realms are created right. But hell was already present there from the Beginning.

 

[BleachHollow]

Evil Ichigo > Black Goku

 

[Shadyboi0]

Evil Ichigo > Black Goku

Spittin

 

[YukaSama4]

Garganta created after three realms are created right. But hell was already present there from the Beginning.

That doesn't mean that hell 100% cant be inside Garganta, he could've created the Garganta and put the hell inside, again its a possibility that might happen not saying its a fact lol but saying that even if Reio didn't create the hell doesn't mean that he doesn't scale if Kubo stated in the new arc that hell is in the Garganta

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That doesn't mean that hell 100% cant be inside Garganta, he could've created the Garganta and put the hell inside, again its a possibility that might happen not saying its a fact lol but saying that even if Reio didn't create the hell doesn't mean that he doesn't scale if Kubo stated in the new arc that hell is in the Garganta

Yeah I hope so. I just want Kubo to give Ichigo some power up for Ichigo. He lacks hax

 

[AnonymousBlank]

SK creation feat scale to atleast two space time continuum.

Except that it doesn’t? Aside from making the Dangai and Hell already existing, everything else was part of the OG universe that got split. The Garganta is part of the same time space as WotL, HM and SS.

Realms has different timelines.

But they don’t. All of them share the same timeline besides the Dangai. That’s why you can be subjected to the Dangai’s time fuckery and exit long before you actually should have. This is even supported by the Reigai Arc and Ichigo going back in time in the Dangai to save himself in the past.

Its even proven. Yhwach scales to SK. Bleach should be tier 2.

I dunno why you are bringing up that Bleach should be tier 2 to me. I agree. Yhwach doesn’t scale to SK, SK would scale to Yhwach since he is the one who has the better feat and the two of them are stated to be comparable.

 

[YukaSama4]

Oh so you are saying that Bleach isn't tier 2 huh

 

[Creed100]

1-) yhwach does not scale fully to SK, it is said that he failed to contain the full power of the SK and had to throw out a part.


2-) Could someone explain to me in detail about the multiversal level? For me it's still at its highest on a multiplanetary level.


3-) Is any game canonical in bleach? and which film is canonical?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Except that it doesn’t? Aside from making the Dangai and Hell already existing, everything else was part of the OG universe that got split. The Garganta is part of the same time space as WotL, HM and SS.

But they don’t. All of them share the same timeline besides the Dangai. That’s why you can be subjected to the Dangai’s time fuckery and exit long before you actually should have. This is even supported by the Reigai Arc and Ichigo going back in time in the Dangai to save himself in the past.

I dunno why you are bringing up that Bleach should be tier 2 to me. I agree. Yhwach doesn’t scale to SK, SK would scale to Yhwach since he is the one who has the better feat and the two of them are stated to be comparable.

SK splitted primordial world and created two different space time continuum. You understand what Dangai does right. Also how can there be single timeline exist when both realms timelines are separated by Dangai.

Also what's your proof for having only one timeline in bleach.

When Ichigo team thrown back to past it was past of soul society not human World timeline.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

1-) yhwach does not scale fully to SK, it is said that he failed to contain the full power of the SK and had to throw out a part.


2-) Could someone explain to me in detail about the multiversal level? For me it's still at its highest on a multiplanetary level.


3-) Is any game canonical in bleach? and which film is canonical?

If you haven't read bleach. Don't even try to scale it.

 

[Creed100]

If you haven't read bleach. Don't even try to scale it.

I read it, it's one of my favorite works. But that doesn't mean I have to understand everything or that I can't discuss

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I read it, it's one of my favorite works. But that doesn't mean I have to understand everything or that I can't discuss

Can you elaborate how it's only multi planetary. When both realms has stars and all.

Also both realms are made off different matter.

Gremmy outer space creation is considered as outlier. I don't even know why because even LN stated he created outer space. Manga scans also proves he did created it.

Bro even after sketches has shown celestial bodies are being destroyed. LN even stated whole Cosmology could collapse if sk died.

Still saying bleach is multi planetary

 

[Torsin]

3-) Is any game canonical in bleach? and which film is canonical?

Memories of Nobody is the only canonical film. As far as games go BBS has translated a few novels for their games so we use that sometimes but overall it isn't canon as well.

 

[YukaSama4]

Where it's stated Garganta was old universe.

I don't think Anonymous said that

If you haven't read bleach. Don't even try to scale it.

Relax he is just asking...

1-) yhwach does not scale fully to SK, it is said that he failed to contain the full power of the SK and had to throw out a part.


2-) Could someone explain to me in detail about the multiversal level? For me it's still at its highest on a multiplanetary level.


3-) Is any game canonical in bleach? and which film is canonical?

1) You can argue that yeah, but it doesn't matter tbh because even if Yhwach isn't = Reio, he will still get the same tier so yeah nothing is changed.

2) SS and WoTL are accepted as universes here, separated by Dangai which is able to contain them as well, so as you can see Yhwach was going to destroy the boundary.
It’s accepted here that the boundary is the Dangai, meaning Yhwach was going to destroy the Dangai which puts him above Senna’s galaxy level feat, and possibly universe+.

3) Only the second movie is canon, games are not.

As far as games go BBS has translated a few novels for their games so we use that sometimes but overall it isn't canon as well.

Did they make a translation for SAFWY? Because I don't think we can use their translation of CFYOW anymore since Viz translation is released

 

[Creed100]

Can you elaborate how it's only multi planetary. When both realms has stars and all.

Also both realms are made off different matter.

Gremmy outer space creation is considered as outlier. I don't even know why because even LN stated he created outer space. Manga scans alao proves he did created it.

Bro even after sketches has shown celestial bodies are being destroyed. LN even stated whole Cosmology could collapse if sk died.

Still saying bleach is multi planetary

I understand your point, the reason for my thinking is due to an exorbitant leap of level of the work.

universal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>multiplanetary>>>>>>>>> planetary

1-)By the time the best clear made was concerning the gremmy, and yet it would be debatable as to only creation

what am I getting at?

Absurd characters like zaraki at their maximum did not defeat gerard (and gerard who was below yhwach + SK).. And in my conception gerard picks up planetary level

2-) zaraki and ichigo can be scaled together, although zaraki has proved superior..

3-) And how would ichigo climb to the universal level like that? As yhwach with universal attacks did not defeat ichigo and all more easily

4-) I'm very adept at bleach work, and really think there are a lot of things that show universal level.. But I find it very difficult to raise the level of characters like that to that high..

Who will say only SK had that level.. And yhwach was only in the manipulation since he could not absorb all the power of the SK

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think Anonymous said that

Sorry, I misread. I edited my reply

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I understand your point, the reason for my thinking is due to an exorbitant leap of level of the work.

universal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>multiplanetary>>>>>>>>> planetary

1-)By the time the best clear made was concerning the gremmy, and yet it would be debatable as to only creation

what am I getting at?

Absurd characters like zaraki at their maximum did not defeat gerard (and gerard who was below yhwach + SK).. And in my conception gerard picks up planetary level

2-) zaraki and ichigo can be scaled together, although zaraki has proved superior..

3-) And how would ichigo climb to the universal level like that? As yhwach with universal attacks did not defeat ichigo and all more easily

4-) I'm very adept at bleach work, and really think there are a lot of things that show universal level.. But I find it very difficult to raise the level of characters like that to that high..

Who will say only SK had that level.. And yhwach was only in the manipulation since he could not absorb all the power of the SK

Keep downgrading. I had seen enough of people downgrade bleach to planetary. I am even tired of arguing with them.

Gremmy can instantly create a life and Destroy it but you claim he can't destroy his creation.

 

[YukaSama4]

And yhwach was only in the manipulation since he could not absorb all the power of the SK

Disagree, it's stated that Yhwach was going to achieve his goal using his power, not a manipulation technique

2-) zaraki and ichigo can be scaled together, although zaraki has proved superior..

Wrong, Ichigo stomps Zaraki which is shown by feats, Ichigo fought Yhwach one on one and Yhwach feared his power and said that making any mistake might cause him serious trouble and since you said this:

(and gerard who was below yhwach + SK)

So yeah Ichigo is far above Zaraki and Gerard

3-) And how would ichigo climb to the universal level like that? As yhwach with universal attacks did not defeat ichigo and all more easily

Nothing in the series says that Ichigo can't be at this level.

4-) I'm very adept at bleach work, and really think there are a lot of things that show universal level.. But I find it very difficult to raise the level of characters like that to that high..

Relax, its not difficult

 

[YukaSama4]

1-)By the time the best clear made was concerning the gremmy, and yet it would be debatable as to only creation

what am I getting at?

Absurd characters like zaraki at their maximum did not defeat gerard (and gerard who was below yhwach + SK).. And in my conception gerard picks up planetary level

1) You can say that it's an outlier.
2) You can say that no one scales to that feat of Gremmy as his tier varies depending on what he imagined.
3) You can say they all scale to him and make that uni scaling chain.
I choose the second option tbh