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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Bleach isn't even my favorite verse, Castlevania is.
Alright, I'll hold you to that whatever the conclusion of your thread is.
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He approved of using word of God. Kubo gave us 400 spirit ri size Seireitei in Fade to Black (while the story is not canon) we have confirmation from an interview that he created every detail of that movie. Kubo believes Seireitei to be near a 1000 miles which is consistent with the terrain given to us in the manga and light novel.
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Honestly, people should stop making accusations at this point. If Damage actually made a size thread for Seireitei after his current one goes through, that is when you can actually cry loophole. As is, Damage made it fairly clear he wants no part in Bleach CRTs not even 2 weeks ago at this point so I dunno why any claims are being made about his motives.
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He would just go to his friend who made the God Tier downgrade thread to make the new thread. He could bring his other friends and pass by and say "I agree" to join the conversation.
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Don't generalize it to "people", just say "Purgy", no reason to be afraid of calling me out.
My accusations aren't baseless, Damage has a pretty deep history of messing with Bleach in shady ways here, finding a loophole to get around a banned topic is hardly the worst thing I'd expect him to do.
But regardless, let's stop, if Damage does make a Seireitei revision thread, then as you said, I can bitch about it there, while also saying I told you so.
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How many times have I cried about that and nothing happened? Everyone just jump on me and called me crazy. Have fun or just ignore it.
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In this situation? Yes it’s just you but I am talking about in general. Fairly certain you aren’t the only one who has accused Damage of doing X, Y or Z lol
By all means. If you’re right, you’re right.
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First of all I want to say that I greatly respect your comments and that I have been following them for a while, but I want to leave my opinion:
1-) I find any pixel scaling as unreliable as possible.
it's because?
a-) the author of the work usually never knows how to draw the actual size, especially in fight scenes; even more so the kubo who already stated that he doesn't focus on scenarios
b -) Another point that breaks the calculations by pixels is the perspective that the character or object is of what we want to calculate. Because usually it can be much smaller or larger :
A great example of this is that it is impossible to calculate the cupula de las noches with the lanza del relp scene. Because if it's calculated with the outside, we don't have a perspective of ichigo with the pillars, since he's far away...
And if we are going to calculate pillars from inside the dome of las noches, we have many with more than 100 meters, and in a very small part
My opinion :
1-) Nothing is more reliable than the author's statements of distance or time
2-) I'm still against universal level positions in the work. I get mult - planetary
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GUYS ENOUGH
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Why don't yall just use the stated size then?
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I'd love to, but I don't see anything wrong with using Yoruichi's statement and calcing it like that.
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Which one is larger? If the stated one is larger, Yoruichi's would just be a lowball since yall lowballed the speed
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Stated radius = 1178.1 km
Yoruichi radius = 509.3 km
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Many here consider the SS to be planetary size.
And as far as I know there is a map that shows the size of the SS in relation to the sereitei.
And a comic drawing of yoruichi that shows the same proportion
Which would probably give a size of the sereitei bigger than the declared one lol
And as far as I know there is a map that shows the size of the SS in relation to the sereitei.
And a comic drawing of yoruichi that shows the same proportion
Which would probably give a size of the sereitei bigger than the declared one lol
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Yoruichi's would be a lowball then since it's an "at least" value for the sizes, the calcer assumed a lowballed speed.
The stated radius being around twice Yoruichi's just means they travel twice as fast as what iMade used
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what is the calculation 1178 km ?
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Stated = they said it, there is no calc
Personally, I find the stated size perfectly fine, but I don't have the time to implement a proposal (nor do I too much care atm), we'd just be making our High 6-A characters higher into High 6-A.
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Yeah I understand that, I'm just saying that personally the stated should be used since it's not contradicted.
I quote offsite which you already saw
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The problem with the FtB statement is its canonicity, that's pretty much the reason it isn't used as anything more than supportive evidence.
The movie itself isn't canon at all, but there's evidence that Kubo worked on it and approved of it.
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Ok that's a valid issue
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sorry, but where is this distance declared?
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Fade to Black movie
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I mean it's directly stated Kubo worked on the setting.
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I'm fine with pixel scaling in general, but only when it's done within a single scan. The moment you add another scan, the calc is 99% bound to become flawed. That is because authors don't draw anything 1:1 ratio when they include something in multiple pages.
Same goes for using statements and applying them to scans, like the Las Noches one. It'd be flawed to assume Kubo drew LN in 1:1 ratio to his statement about its size.
Same goes for one of Gremmy's meteor calcs. It's a total assumption that the meteor was drawn in 1:1 ratio to how big Seireitei would be if drawn in proper size.
Same goes for using statements and applying them to scans, like the Las Noches one. It'd be flawed to assume Kubo drew LN in 1:1 ratio to his statement about its size.
Same goes for one of Gremmy's meteor calcs. It's a total assumption that the meteor was drawn in 1:1 ratio to how big Seireitei would be if drawn in proper size.
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Hmm, what does aizen have in his key that allows him to sense the limbo clones ?
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Wouldn't by the same logic that states FtB isn't canon, CFYOW should also be non-canonical? An extra piece of media fitting the timeline is hardly the qualifier for something's canonicity, and what matters more imho is if the original author was involved in the work. Statements describing the lore of a world in a non-canonical work should still be taken as canonical if the author is explicitly stated to have worked on the setting.
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Well the story isn't canon because it doesn't fit within the Bleach main timeline, but that doesn't discredit the info in the movie if Kubo okayed/created that info.
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Basic Bleach physiology i.e. spiritual awareness.
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This I believe
Extrasensory Perception (Able to detect Reiatsu from a different dimension), Cosmic Awareness (Able to sense and can tell what is going on in different dimensions)
This is similar to Naruto's
Extrasensory Perception (His sensory capabilities are increased to the point that he can detect invisible clones that exist in another dimension)
Cosmic Awareness (could sense Sasuke in another dimension)
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Which is what I (and other people in this thread) said. Plus, and this is for someone not convinced, that Kubo has stated before that he doesn't like whatever happened in a non canonical work, as he did in hellverse. If the author is directly stated to work on the setting in one story, and liked the story, and has the capability (and freedom) to state he didn't like the other because it went in a different direction to his vision, I think it counts for something if he did fit some lore into a non canonical story because it was his vision. I mean, this has happened before (see Zanpakuto arc).
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Right , to apply this did they use aizen being able to sense yhwach’s “ remnants “ while he was within muken?
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That I do not know.
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Interesting……. because that situation by itself. isn’t precise enough to grant him said key or at least it shouldn’t be.
aizen sensing yhwach’s reiatsu from within the muken. was the only thing I could think of. If I was arguing for aizen, to allow him to perceive something similar to the limbo clones.
I guess I’m going to look for a thread in which the key request was accepted
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He was completely aware of what was happening in Hueco Mundo whilst he himself was in WoTL, and as you pointed out, he was also aware that Yhwach's Reiatsu was destroyed while he was in Muken, which is isolated.
