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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

AppleLord said:
If Pernida and Gerard had Vollstandig, what is Soul King Adanyus Vollstandig? Or even Yhwach?
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Volstendig is an evolution of Letzstil and as shown when Quilge first used it, it is a technology, not a skill, a device is needed for it. But I imagine it's not restricted to gloves, as not all Sternrriter wore gloves. I don't see why Yhwach would feel the need to have one or why the Soul King would have a Volstendig device.

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Khaostichny said:
Volstendig is an evolution of Letzstil and as shown when Quilge first used it, it is a technology, not a skill, a device is needed for it. But I imagine it's not restricted to gloves, as not all Sternrriter wore gloves. I don't see why Yhwach would feel the need to have one or why the Soul King would have a Volstendig device.

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Uryu, in fact, did not need gloves.
 
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ReaperAndBlues said:
Uryu, in fact, did not need gloves.
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I personally theorize that the cross on Quilge's glove is the real device, all Sterns must carry a cross like that somewhere, pinned to their clothes or carrying it in their pocket, it doesn't matter. Considering Uryu isn't the only one who doesn't wear gloves. This seems most likely to me. Or they carry the glove in their pockets.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
I do think trying to kiss someone while they're asleep is mega weird but nonetheless the scene is sweet
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I agree in general, but in this particular situation, it's much more forgivable. For one, Orihime didn't actually kiss him. She stopped before doing it. And she was mentally distressed. From her perspective, she was about to leave behind everything that she knew to live in a completely different realm inhabited by monsters.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
I do think trying to kiss someone while they're asleep is mega weird but nonetheless the scene is sweet
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"I am sacrificing everything, my friendships with the people I love, my dreams and desires, even my one true love. I want to take something, even if it's selfish. But I know I can't."

That's not weird. That's simply human. The fact she even stopped herself shows just how truly pure she is.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
"I am sacrificing everything, my friendships with the people I love, my dreams and desires, even my one true love. I want to take something, even if it's selfish. But I know I can't."

That's not weird. That's simply human. The fact she even stopped herself shows just how truly pure she is.
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Yeah, it was selfish, it's simply human, but it's still very weird. And it's good that she stopped herself, the rest of the scene is sweet. I just think that trying to kiss an unconscious person is just icky no matter what. It's still represented as a flaw, so it doesn't make it a bad scene.
 
Khaostichny said:
Volstendig is an evolution of Letzstil and as shown when Quilge first used it, it is a technology, not a skill, a device is needed for it. But I imagine it's not restricted to gloves, as not all Sternrriter wore gloves. I don't see why Yhwach would feel the need to have one or why the Soul King would have a Volstendig device.

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I don’t believe it was ever technology. It’s more of a evolution of that power. Pernida went Vollstandig and it’s part of the Soul King and doesn’t have gloves. Same with Gerard.
 
Kubo’s Change of Mimihagi’s Fate in the Anime Reveals a Hidden Layer of the Story

Anyone else notice that Kubo made a subtle but significant change to Mimihagi’s fate in the Bleach anime? The flashback featuring new content wasn’t just filler or added for show—it’s actually a crucial shift in the lore, offering us deeper insight into Mimihagi’s role and the story’s true nature.

In the anime, we see that Yhwach doesn’t absorb Mimihagi as he does in the manga. Instead, he destroys it. But does he really destroy it? This moment feels off when you consider the past revelations in Bleach. Here’s my theory: Mimihagi wasn’t fully destroyed but actually still exists in the Primordial World.

If we go back to Ukitake’s childhood, when the Soul King was split, we learn that Mimihagi could have taken refuge in the Primordial World—a realm that seems connected to the 3 worlds but yet big enough to contain more if created one day. It’s possible that Mimihagi, being a god-like entity, that worshipped in the Soul Society long before it was connected to Ukitake. Could explain why the hand, or a manifestation of it, resides within Ukitake. However, this version of Mimihagi may not be the true hand, like Pernida’s true form that was the real embodiment of the Soul King’s left arm.

Consider Pernida’s own existence: it wasn’t merely a limb; it was a separate consciousness born from the Soul King’s essence. This is where Mimihagi’s potential connection to Ukitake gets more interesting. Mimihagi’s hand might actually be a copy, a reishi-made manifestation, rather than the original. If the real Mimihagi exists in the Primordial World, it could still be holding with its power of stillness the darkness that the anime alluded to oppose the Soul King.

In essence, I believe the anime altered Mimihagi’s fate to keep the mystery alive, suggesting that the true Mimihagi still resides in the Primordial World, untouched by Yhwach’s destruction. The hand that Ukitake possesses could be just one version of a far more complex entity.

 
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Me and Arc were discussing this scan and we came to the conclusion it is most likely talking about the Soul King, basically describing all the main qualities of the character in short. Which is crazy to think about since this was all stated during Chapter 240, which is several hundred chapters before we got any more specific descriptions of the Soul King and his predicament.

Kubo had all of this stuff planned out during the Arrancar Arc; let that sink in.

"In my right hand, the stone that connects the worlds" - This can be interpreted in two different ways. One can be a more literal interpretation, in that the "stone" here is the Hogyoku and the "worlds" being connected here are the racial boundaries being melded together during the process of Hybridization, actualized by the Hogyoku. Or a more metaphorical interpretation, in that the "stone" here is the Soul King, who acts as the "keystone" of the realms, and uses his Right Arm, the Mimihagi, to connect and hold the realms together.

"In my left hand, the sword that binds existence" - This is most likely about Soul King using the Ceremonial Sword to create the worlds and bind them together, which is shown in a flashback during the anime.

"The black-haired shepherd" - This can be interpreted as both a representation of Soul King's physical appearance, alongside his occupation; acting as the lynchpin of the realms, and more specifically, the Cycle of Reincarnation that allows souls to transmigrate between life and death. And also, a play-on-words on the term "Black Sheep", which is someone who is excluded from society or grouping of people, which Soul King technically was as his existence was functionally Omnipotent in comparison to anyone else. He was completely distinct from anyone during that time.

"The chair of the noose" - This is supposed to describe Soul King's current predicament, specifically how he's simultaneously supported by the Crystal, allowing for his continued existence, but also acts as his eternal prison, representing the noose constricting his ability to live freely.

"I strike the Ibis when the clouds gather" - This requires a further explanation than normal because it deals with real life mythological symbolism; Ibis in Egyptian mythology represents Divine Enlightenment and the direct transfer of one's soul into the afterlife, which, when contextualize to Bleach, it could represent the balance of souls created by the Soul King (with the word "strike" here not meaning a forceful, violent action, but rather a deliberate action), which makes sense since Ibis, during ceremonies, are mummified to allow the direct transferal of one's soul into the spiritual world, which is what the Cycle of Reincarnation is, fundamentally. While the "when the clouds gather" is an additional description in the creation of this balance; the Soul King resides in the Reiokyu, which acts as the "Heavenly Realm" that resides above the clouds, and is the birth-place of this Cycle as it houses its creator and balancer.
 
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ReaperAndBlues said:
Bleach has so many layers to its story and has such intricate storytelling. I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't inspired by his writing style (although I probably wouldn't be able to do what he does even half as well). The man is a storytelling genius.
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Yeah, and it's sad that majority of people fails to really grasp how much of a beautiful story Bleach and Ichigo's journey is. I have seen lots of times people diminishing Bleach because of "bad writing" or "deus ex machinas", mainly in the Latinoamerican community and the Italian community. In this case, the main problem is that some influencers that have hundreds of thousands of followers started to talk ill of Bleach and from then everyone initiated to say the same things.
 
PerezosoUlixes said:
Yeah, and it's sad that majority of people fails to really grasp how much of a beautiful story Bleach and Ichigo's journey is. I have seen lots of times people diminishing Bleach because of "bad writing" or "deus ex machinas", mainly in the Latinoamerican community and the Italian community. In this case, the main problem is that some influencers that have hundreds of thousands of followers started to talk ill of Bleach and from then everyone initiated to say the same things.
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And nowadays some people call it overrated when now it's finally getting its flowers.
 
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