Even yamamoto the one who fought failed to guess yhwach's strength.
He failed to recognize how they stole Bankai. He didn't recognize Royd because he was blindsided by revenge, otherwise he would've noticed the differences in their mannerisms.
She didn't assume Yama would win, she was hoping he would, not even close to "expecting." She hoped Yamamoto would win before he burned the Soul Society to cinders.
Testimony from one of the smartest Gotei members who fought in the original conflict with Yhwach isn't really weak evidence. It's some of the best evidence actually, because she was there in the original time, and sensed the fight in the present.
He got slammed into a crater trying to block Kenpachi in his adolecent Bankai and still took damage. Bankai Kenpachi ripped Gerard's arm off with his teeth and split him down the middle like butter, even Base Kenny stopped his stomp and had him fall flat on his ass. Toshiro was only able to freeze Gerard (albeit a stronger one) and even so he broke out and needed a weakened Kenny to bail him out.
Again it's your assumption.
It's same. Ultimately she was not expecting yama's lose.
It's weak. She has no real idea about current Yhwach's power and this was shown.
None of these feats are superior to what adult toshiro did.
It's a byproduct of Absolute Zero and it was accepted as likely on his adult form anyways, I don't get why we should keep this when maximum output is already accepted as "likely Absolute Zero".
Adam, before you make a response like this, I advise you read up a little
Besides the language barrier, this is still kind of incoherent.
Unohana fought Zaraki as a kid and can sense power. She knows all she's going to do is give him the power he had before, and she's still like "ok, you should've been able to win all of these fights."
He pretty consistently overpowered anything Gremmy could make? He took damage from Gremmy's hax of being thrown to outer space, and then the suicide explosions which damaged him even more than they would've given the space damage.
Show me a Toshiro AP feat, where he does something without hax, and he deals significant damage to someone, when there isn't any proof Toshiro froze it before.
Yama beat Royd though? What are you on? We never see Unohana talking about the situation once the real Yhwach shows up.
No again? Show me an explicit statemenet of "her idea" being "explicitly proven wrong along with Yamamoto."
He didn't freeze the core, which is what was used to revive Gerard, and its stated by him that Gerard's matter ceased its function.
Yamamoto being at full power totally fresh wouldn’t still change the outcome and the fact that yhwach is stronger. They can't gauge someone they failed to even identify. And here they literally failed to identify both.
They failed to recognize him.
What are you on!! He froze gerard's entire body apart from foot. We see where his cross was supposed to be also crumbled.
Renji straight up is just stronger atm, and I guarantee you Byakuya is gonna get some crazy Shukei Hakuteiken scaling or sumn with Gerard. So funny indeed.
As much as it would go against the agenda, I do admit it would be cool to see Shukei Hakuteiken clash with giant Gerard evenly.
An even better scenario would be if it’s shown in the anime that Bankai Kenpachi did in fact hit Gerard’s medallion core but couldn’t destroy it. And Byakuya’s new Shukei Hakuteiken destroys the medallion core after True Bankai Toshiro and Bankai Kenpachi creates an opening for Byakuya to use it against Gerard.
How does Pernida hear? Does it even have ears? Can it even cover those "ears" if it has them?
He can hear, cuz he hears Mayuri talk. He's a mythical giant hand, idk how
I know it can hear, but how? Can it even prevent itself from hearing something?
Maybe it just closes its fist or something
Maybe?
But his lot not narrowly against fake yhwach... Lloyd didn't take even a scar or anything that's a absolute crushing
Pernida doesn’t have ears.
Renji is not stronger and he himself would prove it. Even if not, this is what you call outlier feat not gremmy's one.
Who?
It's just a WSJ editor hype statement, it's not canon to the story whatsoever
There is no proof Yhwach got stronger - there is proof against this. We know that all Yhwach is doing is he's regaining power he had. Regain means getting back something he had before. That means he had that same power before, that which he's still in the process of regaining.
"They failed to recognize him"? Like what are you f*cking on about? Royd has literal powers to copy that mfs looks identically... what are you on bro...
If the cross was crumbled, he would've died. That's the entire point of the weak point... Also the fact that it was frozen already disproves your point. he froze Gerard's body, then easily cleaved through it.
Because about Renji and Byakuya, she's making an assumption that they'll be up to par after their training (which ends up being wrong), while with Yhwach she's saying that based on what she's seen from him.
I guess that's a fair point insofar as my wording, but in general, the point is she's pointing out examples of him having lost or narrowly won because of his supression, which is why they also show Ichigo.
Because it's not a statement from the SJ version of chapter 660, it's an editor's note, and those are insanely inconsistent, even internally. If I had access to my discord, I'd send like 10 stupid editor's notes which hype people up like that.
That was in the sub as well. Also pretty sure that the song was a Kagura dance, not a Viking song.
Regain? What time you they were talking about. Yhwach was present in primordial world as well. . It's the other way. Him getting stronger. If he had this level of strength thousand years ago, he would still easy win bankai yamamoto without almighty. Not to mention ichibei took away power from him.
Exactly. If they can't even identify, the assumption was wrong in the first place.
Well we see hogyoku getting erased and it still was not destroyed. So you are trying to misinterpret kubo's this statement as well just like unohana's.
All these statement come together. But you are saying she is sure about a part but another part is assumption? Laughable
Yeah, they show fullbring ichigo who he never fought against. He didn’t even fight renji. Putting all of these characters with different power level is wierd af. Also he didn’t lose narrowly against royd.
Fair. Let's see how anime handle this.
Why would it be an outlier for someone who went through Squad 0's training, to be just stronger than other people that didn't?
So what if he went through sz training huh?
He wasn't present in the Primordial World. He was explicitly born 200 years prior to the war against Soul Society 1000 years ago. And also, we see that he didn't know about the way all things went for Adnyeus and he also didn't know how Soul King actually looks like.
Oh. He was present in primordial world.
1- In order to be that strong, Rukia would have to show that kind of feats.
No, you are making an assumption based on circumstances that don't prove your point and trying to glue together with another assumption that is not even stated nor insinuated by the narrative. I can give you that nothing is certain up to this point and I easily could be contradicted by the anime, but that doesn't mean we can assume anything we want just because. If you believe that he existed in the primordial world, you have to give more explanations or justifications than "maybe" he lost his memory.
