BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Adam1396]

Idk, because SHE WAS THERE 1000 YEARS AGO AND 1000 YEARS LATER. Like seriously, there is no way she wouldn't know Yhwach's strength. She wasn't there directly per say since she didn't fight in the current conflict, but to say she doesn't know the real Yhwach's strength ignores the fact that she was in the original Gotei 13 even before the war and also fought in the original conflict. She definitely knew the current Yhwach's power because she literally sensed the battle happening.

Technically? Gremmy literally couldn't contain his power, he was clearly superior strength-wise and also had the better mentality and skills. Gremmy's loss was his mistake, his mistake = Kenpachi's win. Saying he didn't win because Gremmy made a mistake and screwed himself over makes no sense, it was his mistake, therefore his loss.

In terms of raw strength no, AP and hax yes.

Even yamamoto the one who fought failed to guess yhwach's strength.

Yeah she literally sensed, assumed yamamoto would win which oroved to be wrong.

That's why I said technically and I have no objection to his scaling to gremmy.

But his scaling to fake yhwach is assumption and the evidence you are trying to use is far too weak

Didn’t evwn kid toshiro deflect nozarashi's slash?

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Even yamamoto the one who fought failed to guess yhwach's strength.

He failed to recognize how they stole Bankai. He didn't recognize Royd because he was blindsided by revenge, otherwise he would've noticed the differences in their mannerisms.

Yeah she literally sensed, assumed yamamoto would win which oroved to be wrong.

She didn't assume Yama would win, she was hoping he would, not even close to "expecting." She hoped Yamamoto would win before he burned the Soul Society to cinders.

But his scaling to fake yhwach is assumption and the evidence you are trying to use is far too weak

Testimony from one of the smartest Gotei members who fought in the original conflict with Yhwach isn't really weak evidence. It's some of the best evidence actually, because she was there in the original time, and sensed the fight in the present.

Didn’t evwn kid toshiro deflect nozarashi's slash?

He got slammed into a crater trying to block Kenpachi in his adolecent Bankai and still took damage. Bankai Kenpachi ripped Gerard's arm off with his teeth and split him down the middle like butter, even Base Kenny stopped his stomp and had him fall flat on his ass. Toshiro was only able to freeze Gerard (albeit a stronger one) and even so he broke out and needed a weakened Kenny to bail him out.

 

[Adam1396]

He failed to recognize how they stole Bankai. He didn't recognize Royd because he was blindsided by revenge, otherwise he would've noticed the differences in their mannerisms.

Again it's your assumption.
You are ignoring the flawlessness of royd's power, appearance mimicry.

She didn't assume Yama would win, she was hoping he would, not even close to "expecting." She hoped Yamamoto would win before he burned the Soul Society to cinders.

It's same. Ultimately she was not expecting yama's lose.
Both clearly failed to gauge Yhwach's power.

Testimony from one of the smartest Gotei members who fought in the original conflict with Yhwach isn't really weak evidence. It's some of the best evidence actually, because she was there in the original time, and sensed the fight in the present.

It's weak. She has no real idea about current Yhwach's power and this was shown.
Her being present thousand years ago doesn’t mean s*** when her idea was explicitly proven wrong along with yamamoto.

He got slammed into a crater trying to block Kenpachi in his adolecent Bankai and still took damage. Bankai Kenpachi ripped Gerard's arm off with his teeth and split him down the middle like butter, even Base Kenny stopped his stomp and had him fall flat on his ass. Toshiro was only able to freeze Gerard (albeit a stronger one) and even so he broke out and needed a weakened Kenny to bail him out.

None of these feats are superior to what adult toshiro did.
He broke out with hax not with power and it's noted by the end of chapter miracle didn’t cease.