BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Damage3245]

@Torsin; we shouldn't give Gremmy abilities that he hasn't shown in the series.

Imagining meteors into existence? Sure, we can add that because that's something he's done.

Imagining a new lifeform into existence with its own Schrift? We can add, because that's something he's done.

Imagining himself having that Schrift himself? We shouldn't add that in.

If we went down that route we might as well say he has every single Power and Ability concievable.

 

[Purgy]

@Torsin Yes he should have Guenael Lee's and Shaz Domino's abilities, we discussed it already and most people agreed, even IMade, that should be included in the next CRT.

This wouldn't be the first time a character had an ability they gave to someone else listed on their profile either.

 

[Damage3245]

@Torsin Yes he should have Guenael Lee's and Shaz Domino's abilities, we discussed it already and most people agreed, even IMade, that should be included in the next CRT.

This wouldn't be the first time a character had an ability they gave to someone else listed on their profile either.

Normally I assume there would be some evidence that the character who gave an ability to somebody else can use that ability. People don't automatically have abilities that they've bestowed on somebody else.

It's not like All For One in My Hero Academia for example who physically possesses and uses the Quirk that he then gives to somebody else.

Also, if Gremmy could simply imagine himself having the ability to regenerate he would have done so. It was brought up specifically in the fight that he had to consciously imagine himself healing each time.

 

[Purgy]

Shaz Domino and Guenael Lee aren't special, they're just figments of Gremmy's imagination, if he can imagine them having that power why can't he imagine himself having it? He created the ability with his imagination, we know he can affect himself with his imagination as demonstrated several times.

The only issue is that it wouldn't be in character which I 100% agree with, however, there's really no reason at all why he shouldn't have it.

 

[Damage3245]

Shaz Domino and Guenael Lee aren't special, they're just figments of Gremmy's imagination, if he can imagine them having that power why can't he imagine himself having it? He created the ability with his imagination, we know he can affect himself with his imagination as demonstrated several times.

The only issue is that it wouldn't be in character which I 100% agree with, however, there's really no reason at all why he shouldn't have it.

It's a slippery slope. When it comes to characters with broken reality warper abilities, it should be enough just to list what they have demonstrated with that ability in the series.

Sure, hypothetically Gremmy could also imagine himself to be bigger than Gerard but we aren't going to give him Type 3 Large Size either, or he could imagine himself to breathe fire but we aren't going to give him Breath Attack either.

There's no reason, logically, why we shouldn't list those abilities either. Except that it is unnecessary.

 

[Purgy]

I understand what you're saying, but it's not like I'm trying to argue Gremmy could imagine himself with The Almighty or The Miracle, I'm literally only saying he can imagine himself with something he's imagined other people with and there's no reason that shouldn't be the case.

Gremmy hasn't ever changed the size of anything with his imagination nor has he ever made someone capable of breathing fire so that's a false equivalence, he has canonically however imagined Shaz Domino's and Guenael Lee's abilities into existence, and again, we know he can use his imagination on himself as he showed many times.

Would you argue that Gremmy wouldn't be able to imagine himself as a cookie simply because he never did it? We saw him turn peoples bones into cookies but because he never did it to himself it's just not possible for some weird reason?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Why is Gerard being used as a counter argument when he has no relation to Gremmy?

 

[Damage3245]

Why is Gerard being used as a counter argument when he has no relation to Gremmy?

Not a counter-argument exactly, just an example of the slippery slope I'm trying to prevent.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Gremmy is a dumbass, simple as that. He can do plenty of stuff but would take a seizure from trying to rationalize

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Gremmy is just the standard character with a broken power but too stupid to use it well

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The ratings for the God Tiers need to change, they're based on an incorrect assumption that Yhwach was only affecting planets. At bare minimum Yhwach planning on reversing the PSK's original feat should land at least Powers-Absorbed Yhwach, TB Ichigo and HoS TB Ichigo, and EoS Aizen that same rating.

 

[MachTwo]

His powers is imagination aka imagine things into reality. If he can imagine those powers before
Then they are no reason to assume he can't imagine himself to wielding those powers because It's the same thing only on different targets
We also knew that Gremmy didn't have silly limitation on his power such as for example his imagination could only work on inanimate objects or he cannot use it on himself. He do have limits but it's more on the fact that he need energy to use his power, so he couldn't imagine the universe exploding at will.

 

[Purgy]

Shouldn't Ichibe have planetary range at the very least since he controls all the color black? His profile says he controls all the color black in the "universe", but I'm not sure about that.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Planetary to be safe I would say imo

 

[Purgy]

I agree with planetary, it is interesting to note though that people have translated the raws of chapter 608 and apparently Ichibe does actually say universe, but I can't read Japanese so no idea if that's correct.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

He controls all black.

 

[Purgy]

So what range would that be?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So what range would that be?

Would it be Interdimensional Range?

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Ugh, the God Tier was just freaking blown. The Power Cliffing shown is just super weird, it feels wrong for 5-A but High 3-A is such a leap that it needs a lot of explaining due to how the plot is going to make sense of it

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I mean his ability isn’t limited by physical range. He can even use black from the future.

 

[Purgy]

I mean his ability isn’t limited by physical range. He can even use black from the future.

This is true, but that's already covered on his profile, if he controls all black in Bleach cosmology what range would it be if you had to give it a rating?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Interdimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach beyond the conventional space-time of a single universe, such as into external pocket realities or parts of other universes, but that may not necessarily travel a universal distance.

This I think

 

[Purgy]

Does interdimensional cover inside those dimensions as well though? His range reaches other dimensions this is true, but he controls all the black within those dimensions as well.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Interdimensional is the same rating as Yhwach

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Does interdimensional cover inside those dimensions as well though? His range reaches other dimensions this is true, but he controls all the black within those dimensions as well.

Yes, it means that on top of the dimention u are in u can also extend ur reach to others

 

[Purgy]

That works then I guess

 

[W0NDER3X]

So, there was something about Hikone using time stop, but iirc it wasnt an official translation and the statement was a bit vague.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

He didn’t use timestop

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

That's just telling how fast hikone became

 

[Purgy]

Yes, that's just flowery writing to say Hikone moved extremely fast.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Infinite speed bois ovo

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Nani??!!

 

[M11UTD]

going by relativity, this's solid SoL feat, and later on Hikone got more powerful and faster.

 

[W0NDER3X]

What? For real?
What leads you to such conclusion?

 

[AppleLord]

No.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So, there was something about Hikone using time stop, but iirc it wasnt an official translation and the statement was a bit vague.

If we are to take this literally that would mean Hikone moved 'x' distance in 0 time which is infinite. What volume is it from?

 

[W0NDER3X]

If we are to take this literally that would mean Hikone moved 'x' distance in 0 time which is infinite. What volume is it from?

Volume 3.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So, I found that quote in the Japanese version of CFYOW III and the literal translation is "to a person watching, it was as if the surrounding time stopped" which still if taken literally would mean Hikone moved 'x' distance in 0 time, since afaik Hikone can't actually stop time. More realistically, I think if a particle of mass moved at SoL it would "stop time", so it's still a nice supporting speed feat for EoS Bleach.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Reiatsu scale to all stats, Yhwach absorbed the SK reiatsu.

Wait what? Then why was I told Reiatsu =/= AP and Durability then?

 

[Purgy]

One person saying something doesn't make it correct

On another note, am I the only one who sometimes doesn't get notifications for followed threads? The past 4 or 5 messages didn't actually give a notification.