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Didn't Yhwach use to have Concept Manip for the above before but it was removed because people agreed governing Stagnation alone wasn't enough evidence for it?
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Ok,I’ll explain why Mimihagi and Yhwach should be given Concept Manip.First of all,Mimi’s power is “Stagnation Governance”.It stops all growth,development,progression,change etc.He stagnated Ukitake’s respiratory illness even tho he had no lungs.IIRC,he was never shown to take medicine or any sort of medical treatment which means he was surviving through something more than physical means.Furthermore,he never recovered from his illness nor was he able to die by it,which fits the description of Mimi’s ability.My 2nd evidence is that the Almighty did not work on him most prolly coz hes the embodiment of stagnation so a conceptually stagnant being must have no future thus the Almighty failed.Its the only ability that was shown to counter the Almighty which means its even stronger than Ichibe’s Concept Manip.Lastly,the wiki has Mimi at 5-B coz of holding the 3 worlds,but that clearly isn’t true as there r numerous evidences he did it through hax.Yoroichi says that Mimi is holding onto the SK which in turn stops the collapse(Ch 618).Orihime’s powers couldn’t save the SK yet Mimi was able to do so which means he didn’t do that through physical means.Ch 22 of the CFYOW states the SK became who he was shown to be in the manga coz both of his arms were torn off;that he was stuck between the static and dynamic so it was only natural that if the Right Arm returned to him,he’d regain at least a static state.Yhwach’s words in Ch 617 pg 8-9 also clarify that the SK was still alive.Furthermore,Yhwach states he’s stronger than Mimi so why is it that Mimi,whos weaker than A Yhwach(who at that time didnt have control over the 3 worlds) would be able to hold the worlds together which proves he did it through hax,by stagnating the SK.Lastly,theres no reason why the Right Arm is so vastly stronger than its counterpart when the novel kinda hints both r equally vital.
Conclusion:Yhwach and Mimi should have Concept Manip while Mimi should be given a Unknown for AP.Sorry if this was too long
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Conclusion:Yhwach and Mimi should have Concept Manip while Mimi should be given a Unknown for AP.Sorry if this was too long
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Does anyone have the anime statement where Aizen says the Espada combined are still weaker than he is?
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Finally got my copy of CFYOW III in the mail today.
The quote of interest about Muken is this: 漆黒の床の上に無限の闇 which translates to 'Infinite darkness above a jet black floor'.
The raws for Bleach 523, Unohana says this: その音の如く無限に等しき広さを持つ which translates to 'And as the sound of its name suggests, it has essentially infinite space'.
Cambridge Dictionary defines essentially as follows: 'relating to the most important characteristics or ideas of something' meaning Unohana is saying the most important characteristic of Muken is that it is infinite.
It should be noted as well that the characters (等しき) used for essentially also translate to equivalent, meaning you could translate the sentence as 'And as the sound of its name suggests, it holds an equivalent space to infinity'. <- This translation might be more correct as 無限 is used as a noun by Unohana and not a modifier. Seeing as when you want turn a noun into a modifier in Japanese you use の after the noun as demonstrated with infinite darkness (無限の闇).
The same kanji (無限) is used to describe the darkness and space within Muken. 無限 translating to infinite/infinity.
So Muken is an infinite 3D area confirmed huh?
The quote of interest about Muken is this: 漆黒の床の上に無限の闇 which translates to 'Infinite darkness above a jet black floor'.
The raws for Bleach 523, Unohana says this: その音の如く無限に等しき広さを持つ which translates to 'And as the sound of its name suggests, it has essentially infinite space'.
Cambridge Dictionary defines essentially as follows: 'relating to the most important characteristics or ideas of something' meaning Unohana is saying the most important characteristic of Muken is that it is infinite.
It should be noted as well that the characters (等しき) used for essentially also translate to equivalent, meaning you could translate the sentence as 'And as the sound of its name suggests, it holds an equivalent space to infinity'. <- This translation might be more correct as 無限 is used as a noun by Unohana and not a modifier. Seeing as when you want turn a noun into a modifier in Japanese you use の after the noun as demonstrated with infinite darkness (無限の闇).
The same kanji (無限) is used to describe the darkness and space within Muken. 無限 translating to infinite/infinity.
So Muken is an infinite 3D area confirmed huh?
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Why is that any better than the unofficial translations online though?
I think it's better to wait until then so that all the evidence can be gathered and the official translation might include something that an unofficial translations wouldn't, if you make a CRT and it's rejected now, chances are it'll never be accepted even when it does get an official translation.
But if you really want to do it then I can't stop you, so feel free I guess.
I think it's better to wait until then so that all the evidence can be gathered and the official translation might include something that an unofficial translations wouldn't, if you make a CRT and it's rejected now, chances are it'll never be accepted even when it does get an official translation.
But if you really want to do it then I can't stop you, so feel free I guess.
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Worst case scenario they tell me to wait, which is whatever.
The reason I wanted to use the raws is that VIZ translate Unohana saying "almost infinite" but none of the characters used in the raws mean "almost" and I wanted to make sure the characters used in CFYOW III match those that Unohana said.
The reason I wanted to use the raws is that VIZ translate Unohana saying "almost infinite" but none of the characters used in the raws mean "almost" and I wanted to make sure the characters used in CFYOW III match those that Unohana said.
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Ask Antvasima.
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To be fair the only person of importance who voiced anything substantial was Matthew and he seemingly dipped before any of his arguments were resolved. Antvasima just said "I think we should close this" and Damage just said "I don't like this" and it closed.
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The staff couldn’t debunk anything so decided to close it.
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Let’s be honest here guys, it was never gonna get accepted with the current info we have
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Even if Ywhach did have High 3-A AP at full power, why would that scale to his own durability and Ichigo?
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i think we have plenty of info it also didnt get debunked
zaraki says how one would need to overcome the subconscious release of his opponents spiritual energy to damage him and yhwach was shown to sleep and maintain the world meaning he subconsciously does it and ichigo managed to cut him
or we can use the argument of how ichigo was supposed to replace the soul king
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More like these kind of upgrades will never accepted unless you put as much effort as IMade does
In this wiki it is notoriously difficult to change the tier or speed rating for bleach chars
Just play it safe and avoid controversial topic until we find futher information.
About Yhwach thingy. Quincy have equal AP and Dura via blut.
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Now that's just not true... Bleach gets so much more critical evaluation than most verses
Not saying it isn't needed, but I am saying that it's treated with more judgement than many other verses
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All I did is telling them what is the most difficulty kind of CRT for bleach, idk where you get that funny idea but that wasn't my intention.
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