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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

I really hope this chapter clears out all the misunderstanding about Renji's power and his position in the Bleach's Power Ranking. I don't know if you see this a lot in the English-speaking communities, but in Spanish/Latinoamericans communities I see a lot of brain rot happening. A lot of people really believe Renji is very low, even after the Squad 0 training.
 
PerezosoUlixes said:
I really hope this chapter clears out all the misunderstanding about Renji's power and his position in the Bleach's Power Ranking. I don't know if you see this a lot in the English-speaking communities, but in Spanish/Latinoamericans communities I see a lot of brain rot happening. A lot of people really believe Renji is very low, even after the Squad 0 training.
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This happens in the english speaking community as well. People treat Renji like he's Yamcha when he has a pretty solid W/L ratio.

Hopefully this episode makes it very clear Renji isn't a joke by any means
 
PerezosoUlixes said:
I really hope this chapter clears out all the misunderstanding about Renji's power and his position in the Bleach's Power Ranking. I don't know if you see this a lot in the English-speaking communities, but in Spanish/Latinoamericans communities I see a lot of brain rot happening. A lot of people really believe Renji is very low, even after the Squad 0 training.
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And when I say low I mean very very low, like him not being even at the level of the Top Espadas or him getting bodied by Base Ulquiorra 😭.
 
PerezosoUlixes said:
I really hope this chapter clears out all the misunderstanding about Renji's power and his position in the Bleach's Power Ranking. I don't know if you see this a lot in the English-speaking communities, but in Spanish/Latinoamericans communities I see a lot of brain rot happening. A lot of people really believe Renji is very low, even after the Squad 0 training.
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I can assure you that this happens in the English community too. A lot more people are realizing that Renji is really strong thanks to this episode, but sadly, some people aren't.
ReaperAndBlues said:
This happens in the english speaking community as well. People treat Renji like he's Yamcha when he has a pretty solid W/L ratio.

Hopefully this episode makes it very clear Renji isn't a joke by any means
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I know it's YouTube comments, but I've seen a person who legitimately says that even after this episode, Renji would get beat by any character that's above an Assistant/Vice-Captain/Lieutenant. I'm serious.

There are also people in the same thread arguing that Renji would lose to Soi Fon.
 
NGL Uryu never received any injuries at all, he tanked pretty much anything, the leaker were exaggerating as usual, Im not sure of any scaling between renji and Uryu except renji to base Uryu, but I believe base Uryu would get cooked by senjumaru.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
I know it's YouTube comments, but I've seen a person who legitimately says that even after this episode, Renji would get beat by any character that's above an Assistant/Vice-Captain/Lieutenant. I'm serious.
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It's either YT comments or the subreddit. Neither I trust with a toothpick on a bright day
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
There are also people in the same thread arguing that Renji would lose to Soi Fon.
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Nawwwwww, Sui Feng? The same one that barely beat a BASE BG9? Bruh
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
It's either YT comments or the subreddit. Neither I trust with a toothpick on a bright day
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The Bleach subreddit generally have at least some brain cells. YouTube comment sections are a lottery, especially if they're a reaction channel's comment section.

Anyway, the logic used was hilarious.

This was their exact comment, "I should note that Renji is not even standing next to the zero squad, any captain, and in general a person stronger than a lieutenant will be able to defeat him, because he is only shown in the anime as over strong, most likely for the fan base that he has (by the way, it is not clear to me either, because as a character he is frankly shitty), If you look at his abilities, I'm afraid that everything is very weak there"

I responded to them, and this was their response, "He doesn't have any powerful feats or big experience, he doesn't even have a good plot bro, what are you watching?"

(I should remind everyone that this was a comment on a video of someone reacting to this very episode, meaning they had to have seen at least his fight. I think they mostly just don't like Renji, which is why they try to discredit his strength).
ReaperAndBlues said:
Nawwwwww, Sui Feng? The same one that barely beat a BASE BG9? Bruh
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I just checked; it's the same person, "Rose and Kensei yeah, but not Soi Fon I think. Her speed will carry in my opinion"

They were responding to this comment, "Renji is captain level in terms of power but not experiences enough like others like Byakuya, he is indeed above Rose and Kensei, even Soi Fon" which was responding to the first comment I posted above.

I should point out that this all in one comment thread.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
The Bleach subreddit generally have at least some brain cells. YouTube comment sections are a lottery, especially if they're a reaction channel's comment section.

Anyway, the logic used was hilarious.

This was their exact comment, "I should note that Renji is not even standing next to the zero squad, any captain, and in general a person stronger than a lieutenant will be able to defeat him, because he is only shown in the anime as over strong, most likely for the fan base that he has (by the way, it is not clear to me either, because as a character he is frankly shitty), If you look at his abilities, I'm afraid that everything is very weak there"

I responded to them, and this was their response, "He doesn't have any powerful feats or big experience, he doesn't even have a good plot bro, what are you watching?"

(I should remind everyone that this was a comment on a video of someone reacting to this very episode, meaning they had to have seen at least his fight. I think they mostly just don't like Renji, which is why they try to discredit his strength).
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I will give the subreddit credit, they aren't dumb (aside from some powerscaling takes like the general discredit of Kenpachi's strength and scaling in CFYOW), but Youtube? Nah. They fr cannot grasp the idea of CFYOW's statements being true, or saying shit like "but Hikone was a failure." they weren't a failure enough to be Soul King level, that's for sure. Also them being the same people to think Ichigo low diffs Yamaji using "AP carries" when Ichigo also blitzes, powernulls, and overall takes every point except general intelligence (I would even argue Ichigo has a far better battle IQ) Ichigo NEGATIVE DIFFS Yama
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
I just checked; it's the same person, "Rose and Kensei yeah, but not Soi Fon I think. Her speed will carry in my opinion"

They were responding to this comment, "Renji is captain level in terms of power but not experiences enough like others like Byakuya, he is indeed above Rose and Kensei, even Soi Fon" which was responding to the first comment I posted above.

I should point out that this all in one comment thread.
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Lol
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I will give the subreddit credit, they aren't dumb (aside from some powerscaling takes like the general discredit of Kenpachi's strength and scaling in CFYOW),
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People don't read books, which is why, "It was stated in Can't Fear Your Own World" became a meme.
ReaperAndBlues said:
but Youtube? Nah. They fr cannot grasp the idea of CFYOW's statements being true, or saying shit like "but Hikone was a failure." they weren't a failure enough to be Soul King level, that's for sure.
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YouTube is a mixed bag. On one hand, you have people genuinely downplaying Bleach to hill level. On the other, you have people wanking Bleach to outerversal.

But yeah, for some reason, Can't Fear Your Own World is controversial.
ReaperAndBlues said:
Also them being the same people to think Ichigo low diffs Yamaji using "AP carries" when Ichigo also blitzes, powernulls, and overall takes every point except general intelligence (I would even argue Ichigo has a far better battle IQ) Ichigo NEGATIVE DIFFS Yama
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Hey, that's still better than people arguing that Ichigo would lose.
ReaperAndBlues said:
Lol
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The whole conversation was painful.
 
Crazy how some people are on copium: "R-R-Renji's new power doesn't make sense, bro." Did we watch the same show? No way Renji receiving divine training made him relative to those who trained him, right? The same goes for Byakuya and Rukia if they show feats that "contradict" power expectations. In short, Renji claps Yama and it makes sense
 
PerezosoUlixes said:
I really hope this chapter clears out all the misunderstanding about Renji's power and his position in the Bleach's Power Ranking. I don't know if you see this a lot in the English-speaking communities, but in Spanish/Latinoamericans communities I see a lot of brain rot happening. A lot of people really believe Renji is very low, even after the Squad 0 training.
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Last time I checked, most people believe Ulquiorra was the strongest Espada. Don’t trust the Spanish speaking community on anything related to powerscaling. I speak from experience.
 
Bastolan27 said:
Last time I checked, most people believe Ulquiorra was the strongest Espada. Don’t trust the Spanish speaking community on anything related to powerscaling. I speak from experience.
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Don't worry, I have to "fight" daily with them, so I know most of the worst takes they make every day.
 
After watching the episode again I notice something very important for the scaling of Renji and Uryu in their fight.

If you watch closely, Renji (Bankai) got hits on Base Uryu but didn’t do any damage to Uryu at all. No bruises. No cuts. Only his clothes got dirty. On the other hand a single arrow of Uryu cut Renji’s face at the start of the fight.

Uryu was holding back a lot against Renji, even if Renji was holding back as well. Renji shouldn’t scale to Uryu at all. Is more of Uryu trying to stop Renji and had no choice but to shoot an arrow through him.
 
people in this forum have extremely short memory I think, I don’t wanna ruin the party but I wanna remember you guys couple of things:

1. Renji will later lose to a causal attack of 1st giant form Gerard, Gerard will also call their Reiastu “small” for him, and this Gerard isn’t really that strong.

2. Renji performs worse than byakuya against base gerard given Renji is losing blood.

3. Base zaraki with even the eyepatch on, so way weaker than gremmy and Yama casually slice the same Gerard which Renji lost miserably. Not base, not shikai, not bankai, but base with eyepatch zaraki is stronger than Renji.

Go on and scale Renji to 2C? as half of the verse of course. not much sense behind it.

Instead let’s focus to the fact that Uryu needed hax to overpower Senjumaru, and needed vollstading to damage her.(vollstading Uryu scale to senju but not base) However Renji never really left an injury on base Uryu at all.

I’m not even a Yama fan but I think people need to hold on their horses with the scaling, Yama is likely to still be superior.
 
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Tyri456 said:
people in this forum have extremely short memory I think, I don’t wanna ruin the party but I wanna remember you guys couple of things:

1. Renji will later lose to a causal attack of 1st giant form Gerard, Gerard will also call their Reiastu “small” for him, and this Gerard isn’t really that strong.

2. Renji performs worse than byakuya against base gerard given Renji is losing blood.

3. Base zaraki with even the eyepatch on, so way weaker than gremmy and Yama casually slice the same Gerard which Renji lost miserably. Not base, not shikai, not bankai, but base with eyepatch zaraki is stronger than Renji.

Go on and scale Renji to 2C, as half of the verse of course. Which make 0 narrative sense.

Instead let’s focus to the fact that Uryu needed hax to overpower Senjumaru, and needed vollstading to damage her.(vollstading Uryu scale to senju but not base) However Renji never really left an injury on base Uryu at all.

I’m not even a Yama fan but I think people need to hold on their horses with the scaling, Yama is likely to still be superior.
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Nah. Renji would win
 
Tyri456 said:
people in this forum have extremely short memory I think, I don’t wanna ruin the party but I wanna remember you guys couple of things:

1. Renji will later lose to a causal attack of 1st giant form Gerard, Gerard will also call their Reiastu “small” for him, and this Gerard isn’t really that strong.

2. Renji performs worse than byakuya against base gerard given Renji is losing blood.

3. Base zaraki with even the eyepatch on, so way weaker than gremmy and Yama casually slice the same Gerard which Renji lost miserably. Not base, not shikai, not bankai, but base with eyepatch zaraki is stronger than Renji.

Go on and scale Renji to 2C, as half of the verse of course. Which make 0 narrative sense.

Instead let’s focus to the fact that Uryu needed hax to overpower Senjumaru, and needed vollstading to damage her.(vollstading Uryu scale to senju but not base) However Renji never really left an injury on base Uryu at all.

I’m not even a Yama fan but I think people need to hold on their horses with the scaling, Yama is likely to still be superior.
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It's crazy how all that can change. Renji might not even fight Gerard, which means there wouldn't be any inconsistency. For all we know, he could be dead right now.

"he can't be dead, are you crazy?"
Orihime exists
 
AppleLord said:
After watching the episode again I notice something very important for the scaling of Renji and Uryu in their fight.

If you watch closely, Renji (Bankai) got hits on Base Uryu but didn’t do any damage to Uryu at all. No bruises. No cuts. Only his clothes got dirty. On the other hand a single arrow of Uryu cut Renji’s face at the start of the fight.
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Uryu used Blut
AppleLord said:
Uryu was holding back a lot against Renji, even if Renji was holding back as well. Renji shouldn’t scale to Uryu at all. Is more of Uryu trying to stop Renji and had no choice but to shoot an arrow through him.
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Both were holding back.

The difference is Uryu Vollständig after sklaverei is same as the one he used against Ichigo.

Renji would definitely scale one way or the other
 
Tyri456 said:
people in this forum have extremely short memory I think, I don’t wanna ruin the party but I wanna remember you guys couple of things:

1. Renji will later lose to a causal attack of 1st giant form Gerard, Gerard will also call their Reiastu “small” for him, and this Gerard isn’t really that strong.

2. Renji performs worse than byakuya against base gerard given Renji is losing blood.

3. Base zaraki with even the eyepatch on, so way weaker than gremmy and Yama casually slice the same Gerard which Renji lost miserably. Not base, not shikai, not bankai, but base with eyepatch zaraki is stronger than Renji.

Go on and scale Renji to 2C? as half of the verse of course. not much sense behind it.

Instead let’s focus to the fact that Uryu needed hax to overpower Senjumaru, and needed vollstading to damage her.(vollstading Uryu scale to senju but not base) However Renji never really left an injury on base Uryu at all.

I’m not even a Yama fan but I think people need to hold on their horses with the scaling, Yama is likely to still be superior.
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True tho but things might change.
 
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