Azur Lane Discussion Thread

[Jamesthetaker]

Yo guys! Helena Meta is here.

LET"S GOOOOO!

 

[Vietthai96]

Still need a week before Helena META come to the fleet, but it will be nice if we have her profile, Helela can have 3 Key from base to retrofit to META, but again i think META profile should be separate as they don't retain the skill from their normal counterpart

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I agree, Meta ships should have separated profiles since they're completely different from their normal counterpart.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Guys, i need some help with ability description. We known that submarines are specialized in stealth combat and they can sneak pass radar and stuff so how should we described it in word?

 

[Vietthai96]

Guys, i need some help with ability description. We known that submarines are specialized in stealth combat and they can sneak pass radar and stuff so how should we described it in word?

You write it yourself:
"specialized in stealth combat and they can sneak pass radar"

 

[Jamesthetaker]

What do you guys think about using the 2019 anime as a secondary canon?

Like aside from the obvious absent of Shikikan and storyline difference, everything else seem to be consistent with the game. From the ships personality to their feat which are correct depiction of primary canon. Although there is change here and there, like Kaga's fox ship and air carriers flight but i would like to say that its help depicted their abilities better on screen.

I was consider about adding anime feats to our profiles but canonicity is a complicated matter when it come to anime adaption so i would like to hear your opinion on this first.

 

[Vietthai96]

No, unless you separate game and anime, for example Dragon Ball verse where we separated Anime, Manga and Game. Anime and Game is intensively different from each other, not just storyline but shipgirl personality especially Kaga, Akagi, Enterprise. The only anime that is truly canon to game is Slow Ahead. The only thing Game adapt from Anime is the whole meme Enterprise use her aircraft to fly. There are manu abilities that not make sense in game like Kaga summon her fox; she, Akagi, Prinz Eugen and some other also levitating high in the sky which make no sense in-game as they need to go through ocean route.
About story, the anime also have Azur Lane and Crimson Axis "make peace" with each other pretty fast, currently in game 2 faction still in status quo, while not a full blown war, skirmish also happen here and there, also the reason Crimson Axis attack Eagle Union is still not truly revealed yet, unlike the anime where Akagi and Kaga is just victim of manipulation, and many more plot hole different

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Alright then.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

After seeing some thread about canonicity, i think we could make out something:

One Piece and Monogatari dealt with this by only screens where it perfectly or similarly represents the primary canon. For Azur Lane, we use scenes that close resemblance to or potentially could happen in the game. One of the official art depicted the ships floating in air and another where Kaga using plane launching platform which is kinda similar to this. Acrobatic skills isn't a far fetched from what they could do.

My point is that we strictly use feats that heavily consistent with the game only, stuff like Kaga's fox ship isn't allowed.

 

[Vietthai96]

We can't use official art like that as they just for aesthetic purpose, and like i said, if they have abilities like this, the game already depict it but none, torpedoes will not matter as the girls floating up in the sky unless you also thing torpedoes can fly. Both in-game dialouge and gameplay never suggest such ability and even animated short video (both Siren and Shipgirls bound to fight on ocean), and if they have such ability, they don't even need to go through the ocean route. So primary sources already contradict with offcial art, also those art are loading art not in-game dialouge cutscene, so you can't use them.
Next is the skill to ride aircraft, until now the skill only being mention once in Daedalian Hymn by Vittorio Veneto as she said to Littorio that "there is one person she met could do that, and that person define abd beyond rational thought and logic". While Veneto didn't mention the name, most fan assume the person she talk is Enterprise as a reference to anime where Enty is the first person to demonstrated the skill, that why i gave Kaga a possibly rating for that skill in her profile as she never did that in game but did once in anime 2019 which is non-canon and scale to Enty as a fellow CV, the only can have solid rating is Enty - until she have a profile there, other CV shipgirl will just have a possibly rating by scaling to Enty.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Then CV shipgirl will have a possibly Flight via scaling to Enty.

Zuikaku's and Ayanami's swordsmanship and alike feats should be consistent enough to added, correct?

 

[Vietthai96]

Then CV shipgirl will have a possibly Flight via scaling to Enty.

Zuikaku's and Ayanami's swordsmanship and alike feats should be consistent enough to added, correct?

1. Yes, a possibly rating, but need detailed that they use aircraft to fly or people will mistaken they can fly by any mean.
2. Zuikaku have feat in anniversary short video, she intercept siren missiles with her sword skill. Ayanami i don't know, but i think it is not hurt to give her Skilled Swordwoman, Zuikaku i think should have Expert or Master Swordmanship or whatever similar. On a side note, Shokaku and Shinano have sword but in-game never saw anything imply they use sword for fighting aside from decoration, so if you ever make a profile for them don't give swordmanship rating to them, unless something new in the future.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Ok then.

 

[Vietthai96]

Non-Standard Breathing

Non-Standard Breathing is the ability to breathe in environments that baseline human beings would find hazardous to breathe in. This may be accomplished through the usage of gills or other physiological traits, equipment, creating air pockets, or otherwise finding methods to breathe in hazardous...

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This is really good, finally an abilities for Submarine shipgirls

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Doesn't Submarine shipgirls can only hold their breath for a while?

 

[Vietthai96]

Doesn't Submarine shipgirls can only hold their breath for a while?

According to in-game cutscene, idk, if they did held their breath, they held for freaking long time. But again their rigging nature is submarine, so an euipment for them to breath underwater is reasonable

 

[Jamesthetaker]

How about this:

"Underwater Breathing (Type 3; Submarines are equipped to combat underwater and even without equipment they can still hold their for a long time)"

 

[Vietthai96]

How about this:

"Underwater Breathing (Type 3; Submarines are equipped to combat underwater and even without equipment they can still hold their for a long time)"

Yes, i forgot to add it when came back home

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I'll do it.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Yo! The JP stream ended yesterday, we got so much news here is recap of what happened:

• New Dorm sets with high school motif that cost gems
• Twitter campaign where you got two t-shirts and Noshiro art with signature (probably exclusive to JP only)
• Swirling Cherry Blossoms Rerun
• PEKO!... Uh, i mean new SR ship Fubuki-class destroyer Shirayuki and SSR ship Yuugumo-class destroyer Kazagumo
• Kasumi got a new retrofit
• We got new student skins for Kazagumo, Kasumi, Ryuujou, Shirayuki, Memphis, Urakaze, Cassin, Downes.
• Rerun New Year skins for Noshiro, Ryuuhou, Suruga, Hibiki, Kasumi
• Warspite retrofit will have L2D skin like New Jersey.
• PR4 REVEALED! LET'S GO BOY!
• Some PVC Figures showcase, those look beautiful as hell!
• U-Treasure Real Life Oath Rings
• Wacca Collaboration, it's an arcade machine that features rhythm game with songs from many series. Three songs is gonna added to them is 私はNo 1！, Polaris - cœur , but i don't remember what first one was so please tell me.
• Merkuria Vtuber appearance, she actually become a mascot of Youtube channel so it is not suprise to see her.
• Slow Ahead! Blu-ray and you also get Laffey skins when you brought it but i think it is JP exclusive only.
• LINE Stickers, if you don't know LINE is a popular communication app in Japan, Thailand and Taiwan.
• Manhattan Roll Ice Cream Collaboration, it is an popular ice cream shop in Japan. You might want to try them when you get there, after the pandemic ended of course.
• Idolm@aster Collaboration, apparently we got another crossover event. Yostar sure know how to attractive new fans, especially with one that big as Idolmaster.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Bump.b

 

[Vietthai96]

i'm here

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Given that New Jersey is now a official ship in AL. I guess that everybody can be upgrade to Low 7-C.

Would you mind help me with the profiles?

 

[Vietthai96]

What, no they not throw missile to have Low 7-C

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Iowa-class ships have Low 7-C durability.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

What do you think? Should they become Low 7-C or not?

 

[Vietthai96]

They don't even have feat of fightinf someone on the level of Iowa durability, to be honest their rating will mostly be Unknown

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I mean, the Siren create mass-produced ships of all kind and Iowa-class should be one of them.

New Jersey herself isn't superior than other ships by any mean so i think everybody should scales to this.

 

[Vietthai96]

I need to sleep for a while but well, mass produce and clone are way weaker than original. And Siren pawn ship have unknown durability

 

[Jamesthetaker]

They are weaker to an extend but not too much, but just take your time.

 

[Vietthai96]

Actually according to Daedalian Hymn event, Littorio and VV point out that clone are very weak, they easily stomp through them, but the problem is number and VV fleet start to worn out as they low on supplies and fight for a long time.
On the other hand Minor Involution has the pawn gradually getting stronger after each cycle, but it is because of Soryuu META amped them up through Mirror Sea devices, which Helena META need to hack in order to amp New Jersey fleet. Tbh AL feat is hectic as fck, with the exception of META ships as they currently is pretty consistence

 

[Jamesthetaker]

The mass-produced ships are weaker than normal ships so they downscales from ship girls.

The ships themself are 8-A via able to destroy WW2 ships completely.

META ships are far stronger than any ships so they massively scales above them.

 

[Vietthai96]

That why we can't use clone, mass-produce ship to scale, actually mass-produce ship is even weaker than clone of shipgirls or Azur Lane call them Pawn

 

[Jamesthetaker]

My point is that any ship girls is capable of destroying New Jersey as much as they do with the pawn.

 

[Vietthai96]

the pawn and clone don't scale themself to New Jersey to have such rating, so destroy them will not give such a rating, and shipgirl have power varies between each other

 

[Jamesthetaker]

What i mean is that the Siren create various type of WW2 ships and they are the reason why the girls have 8-A rating, so it's not exaggeration to say that Iowa-class battleships is among them.

Sure, shipgirl have power variety between but unlike the Ashes, they aren't completely above another in strength. Take Enterprise for example, she is notable among Eagle Union people praise her for being one of the most strongest ship but many is still capable of challenging her. In fact, what make them different lies in skills and experience instead of pure strength. Simply being stronger than your normal shipgirl doesn't make them invincible compare to the rest of them.

 

[Vietthai96]

It is too much of an assumption, eve if in the future we can see some pawn NJ, we can't hardly give them the rating because pawn, clone and mass-produce are significantly weaker than the real

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Many rating come from assumption alone, even if the evidence isn't 100% concrete, we can still allow them if they are consistent enough.

I think you're underestimate the Pawn here. I agree that they aren't as strong as the real one but they are still dangerous threat. Some Pawn can actually face shipgirl in a head on combat and dealt damage to them. Many games introduced fodders with similar mechanic where common enemies pose threat in numbers despite their weaker strength.

Also, the note below every ship profiles stated that ships with same type and period have performance equivalent to this one, this mean that not only Iowa-class but most battleships in the same time as it would have Low 7-C durability as well.

 

[Vietthai96]

Many rating come from assumption alone, even if the evidence isn't 100% concrete, we can still allow them if they are consistent enough.

I think you're underestimate the Pawn here. I agree that they aren't as strong as the real one but they are still dangerous threat. Some Pawn can actually face shipgirl in a head on combat and dealt damage to them. Many games introduced fodders with similar mechanic where common enemies pose threat in numbers despite their weaker strength.

Also, the note below every ship profiles stated that ships with same type and period have performance equivalent to this one, this mean that not only Iowa-class but most battleships in the same time as it would have Low 7-C durability as well.

1. Number don't translate to Power, and regarded as dangerous doesn't mean it equal power because the lack of context, and i forget to change Shipgirls rating to Possibly. We can't use 2019 Anime as they was treated as another continuity, and in-game scene don't have many feat.
2. Nope, i rack the entire story, nothing suggest Shipgirl can create that much of power, never in the series we have a feat of shipgirl totally vaporize ship, what we see is just visual in gameplay that can't translate to actual feat. And canon animation short video contradict and debunk with vaporization:


Even Warspite can't cut clean through a Pawn and it still there mostly intact

 

[Jamesthetaker]

The Hilichurls in GS pose threat to the main cast despite their relatively weak strength and they still Low 7-B noneless. Their weapon can outright harm shipgirl and it's not like all Pawn were that weak either, many can give them trouble in a 1vs1 battle.

I think you're misunderstood something here, the total destruction of warship are translated to fragmentation which what shown many times in the game and animation video. It doesn't necessary mean vaporization, you know. Of course, in-game visual shown otherwise but that is the most low-balled we can get.

Durability: At least Large Building level, at most Small Town level in terms of total destruction (comprised of up to 52,600,000 kilograms of hardened armor-grade steel with a fragmentation energy of over 5 terajoules),