Ayanokouji vs Conor (Detroit: Become Human) [0-2-0]

[Nikoandretti]

*Both are at 9-C
*ANHS Koji key
*RK900 Conner key
Ayanokouji AP: 13.2 KJ
Conor AP: Ranges from 13.6 to 24.3 KJ via this feat using reference for common feats.
*Location: New York
*Speed Equalized
10 Meters Apart


7 - Ayanokoji (XxZetsuxX, ThePrimalHunter, Catbowtie, Shadowslash125, SatellaTheWoE, TheHuntsman1001, RoggerReggor)

2 - Connor (Dinozxd, Nikoandretti)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Distance is 1000 meters per SBA i believe

Are they visible to each other?

 

[Nikoandretti]

Distance is 1000 meters per SBA i believe

Are they visible to each other?

I was about to edit in the distance. They start off 10 meters apart

 

[Zefra3011]

Distance is 1000 meters per SBA i believe

what, no

if one character has a range of 10 meter and the other has a range of 20 meter they start 20 meter apart.

Anyway, I read trought Connor's profile breifly, how is Ayanokouji supposed to handle his precognition and his stamina?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Anyway, I read trought Connor's profile breifly, how is Ayanokouji supposed to handle his precognition

Not combat applicable

and his stamina?

One shotting

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What can Connor do after Koji aim dodges every bullet?

 

[Nikoandretti]

Not combat applicable

One shotting

Connor scales higher than Koji from tanking being hit by a truck at interstate speed

 

[Nikoandretti]

What can Connor do after Koji aim dodges every bullet?

Koji has aim dodging feats? I never seen guns in classroom of the elite

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Connor scales higher than Koji from tanking being hit by a truck at interstate speed

Not on the profile, He scales to 600 joules or smth due to the pistol KE

Koji has aim dodging feats? I never seen guns in classroom of the elite

He doesn't but his ANPR allows him to predict intentions and alot of other factors

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I think you need to do the CRT about changing his stats to Street+ to Wall level

Otherwise he remains 600 joules and gets one shotted

 

[Nikoandretti]

Not on the profile, He scales to 600 joules or smth due to the pistol KE

Yes it is it says he tanked a hit from a speeding vehicle under Durability and that’s the weaker version of Connor

He doesn't but his ANPR allows him to predict intentions and alot of other factors

You can’t say it allows him to do something he never has. You have to have feats to back up a claim. That’s a huge assumption when guns aren’t even used in classroom of the elite. I’ve only seen him read physical attacks, not gun trajectories. Stuff like that needs statements like this.

 

[Nikoandretti]

I think you need to do the CRT about changing his stats to Street+ to Wall level

Otherwise he remains 600 joules and gets one shotted

It’s already on his profile It says it under durability that he tanked being hit by a speeding vehicle which isn’t 600 joules

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It’s already on his profile It says it under durability that he tanked being hit by a speeding vehicle which isn’t 600 joules

He is still street level and not wall level

Yes it is it says he tanked a hit from a speeding vehicle under Durability and that’s the weaker version of Connor

Not on the profile

You can’t say it allows him to do something he never has. You have to have feats to back up a claim. That’s a huge assumption when guns aren’t even used in classroom of the elite. I’ve only seen him read physical attacks, not gun trajectories. Stuff like that needs statements like this.

You make it seem like looking at the person's fingers requires superhuman predictions and stuff

I assure you it doesn't

 

[Nikoandretti]

Not on the profile

Bro that’s how I found the feat lol it’s on his page under durability right after tanking a metal pipe.

You make it seem like looking at the person's fingers requires superhuman predictions and stuff

I assure you it doesn't

You need feats to back up claims otherwise it makes them baseless. Thats the rules I read on this site when i signed up

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Bro that’s how I found the feat lol it’s on his page under durability right after tanking a metal pipe.

I still don't see the profile being wall level..

You need feats to back up claims otherwise it makes them baseless. Thats the rules I read on this site when i signed up

Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum and should have learnt the abilities of likes of Ichika much before. Can determine each and every possibility to visualize the future to some extent. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister when he was still pinning her and even asked him to confirm it, on hearing the predictions, Manabu also asks Ayanokouji on how was he able to figure out what he was trying to do. Ayanokouji can out-predict his opponents after he completely understands their upper limit, this has been displayed when Ayanokouji misreads Ryuuen's upper limit and then corrects it, it has been confirmed when Tsukishiro and Shiba deliberately tried to hide their abilities to prevent Ayanokouji from gaining an advantage. However, He can use his intuition to read his opponents and also determine their abilities as well. Ayanokouji also analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself, something which cannot be predicted from the posture Hōsen was in

This should prove more than enough

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also here, Ayanokouji upscales Ichika due to superior training

 

[Nikoandretti]

I still don't see the profile being wall level..

But its higher than 600 joules which is why I used the speeds for daily travel and interstate speed to balance it out which is what the mods informed me to do for feats that fit the description.

Should be massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum and should have learnt the abilities of likes of Ichika much before. Can determine each and every possibility to visualize the future to some extent.

This only applies to his own experiences from his past white room training. They did not predict bullet trajectories in his training. You can’t assume that from this without an actual demonstration of it like this link I showed you and here is another example

Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister when he was still pinning her and even asked him to confirm it, on hearing the predictions, Manabu also asks Ayanokouji on how was he able to figure out what he was trying to do.

This is hand to hand prediction. He predicted the slam because he also practices Aikido and knows how the movements look. That’s not validating predicting bullet trajectories.

Ayanokouji can out-predict his opponents after he completely understands their upper limit, this has been displayed when Ayanokouji misreads Ryuuen's upper limit and then corrects it, it has been confirmed when Tsukishiro and Shiba deliberately tried to hide their abilities to prevent Ayanokouji from gaining an advantage. However, He can use his intuition to read his opponents and also determine their abilities as well.

Again, this is all physical fighting based. Nothing here gives validation to claim he can dodge bullet trajectories and nothing like the links I sent above.

Ayanokouji also analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself, something which cannot be predicted from the posture Hōsen was in

This should prove more than enough

this is moreso information analysis than actual analytical prediction

 

[Zefra3011]

Connor scales higher than Koji from tanking being hit by a truck at interstate speed

I didn't see any value on the profile tho, he scales to his ratings (Baseline street)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

But its higher than 600 joules which is why I used the speeds for daily travel and interstate speed to balance it out which is what the mods informed me to do for feats that fit the description.

Again, If the profile doesn't have wall level rating in his profile, Then the feat is unusable

This only applies to his own experiences from his past white room training. They did not predict bullet trajectories in his training. You can’t assume that from this without an actual demonstration of it like this link I showed you and here is another example

Ayanokouji has will think of every possibility in a fight which was showned against Tsukishiro and Shiba

This is hand to hand prediction. He predicted the slam because he also practices Aikido and knows how the movements look. That’s not validating predicting bullet trajectories.

Shooting bullets requires hands to shoot lol

 

[Nikoandretti]

I didn't see any value on the profile tho, he scales to his ratings (Baseline street)

I mean there are several profiles this applies to because they are outdated. That doesn’t change what the description says. He tanked a truck hitting him multiple times, and a mod told me if there is not a scale for it use reference for common feats. Which is why it was made. I already discussed this with a thread moderator

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I mean there are several profiles this applies to because they are outdated. That doesn’t change what the description says. He tanked a truck hitting him multiple times, and a mod told me if there is not a scale for it use reference for common feats. Which is why it was made. I already discussed this with a thread moderator

Please stop insisting with this

The profile is 9-C and not 9-B, Stop using things that are not in the profile :/

 

[Nikoandretti]

Again, If the profile doesn't have wall level rating in his profile, Then the feat is unusable

Thats not how it works. The feat was listed on his page and can be scaled using reference for common feats. You can’t dismiss it simply because the profile is outdated. It’s still there.

Shooting bullets requires hands to shoot lol

And to say someone can dodge bullet trajectories you need feats. Just because they can dodge punches and kicks does not mean they can predict guns

 

[Zefra3011]

I mean there are several profiles this applies to because they are outdated. That doesn’t change what the description says. He tanked a truck hitting him multiple times, and a mod told me if there is not a scale for it use reference for common feats. Which is why it was made. I already discussed this with a thread moderator

you have to make a crt to upgrade the value then, the common feat's calc isn't on the page.

I believe we aren't allowed to use values that are not on the profile.

 

[Nikoandretti]

Please stop insisting with this

The profile is 9-C and not 9-B, Stop using things that are not in the profile :/

I’m insisting what a thread moderator told me before making this matchup.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And to say someone can dodge bullet trajectories you need feats. Just because they can dodge punches and kicks does not mean they can predict guns

You just need to look at the hand of the person, Koji is extraordinary genius combatant with broken ANPR

You think he isn't smart enough to look at his hand and where the gun is pointing?

 

[Nikoandretti]

you have to make a crt to upgrade the value then, the common feat's calc isn't on the page.

I believe we aren't allowed to use values that are not on the profile.

No. We are which is why reference for common feats exist and I asked before making the thread about it. This conversation is pointless man

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Connor dies when he gets hit by cars though, all he gets hit by and survives is the windshield, which has far less mass than the rest of the car

Even if stats were equal, Ayano's ANPR is honestly probably more busted than Connor's precog

 

[Nikoandretti]

You just need to look at the hand of the person, Koji is extraordinary genius combatant with broken ANPR

You think he isn't smart enough to look at his hand and where the gun is pointing?

the character I showed you is above average combatant and still could do it . Intelligence doesn’t = knowing how to predict gun trajectories. I pretty much proved that.

 

[Zefra3011]

No. We are which is why reference for common feats exist and I asked before making the thread about it. This conversation is pointless man

When a profile scales to the common feat calc then the calc needs to be on the profile.

Regardless if he has guns this is entirely if ayano can aim dodge them or not.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Connor dies when he gets hit by cars though, all he gets hit by and survives is the windshield, which has far less mass than the rest of the car

Even if stats were equal, Ayano's ANPR is honestly probably more busted than Connor's precog

Connor's precog isn't combat applicable, He creates simulations for murder cases or to find out what happened and stuff

 

[Zefra3011]

Connor's precog isn't combat applicable, He creates simulations for murder cases or to find out what happened and stuff

can't he simulate fights? and if yes, how much time does he needs?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

the character I showed you is above average combatant and still could do it . Intelligence doesn’t = knowing how to predict gun trajectories. I pretty much proved that.

Bullets go in a straight line, Koji is subsonic in everything, He has reaction speed to dodge and react to bullets and predict them too

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Connor's precog isn't combat applicable, He creates simulations for murder cases or to find out what happened and stuff

He has used it in combat before

 

[Zefra3011]

He has used it in combat before

if it requires him time than it's useless.

 

[Nikoandretti]

Connor dies when he gets hit by cars though, all he gets hit by and survives is the windshield, which has far less mass than the rest of the car

This is false. There has never been a car crash where someone was hit by only the winshield. They have to be hit by the bumper to even reach the windshield to begin with.

Also I can show you Ayanokouji stating Horikita can kill him with a weapon, Ibuki can give him a concussion with a roundhouse kick, Manabu can one shot him. All of these things counter your point. Ayanokouji would also die if he was hit by a car. So that’s a moot point when we’ve seen Conor hit multiple times by them and was fine.

Even if stats were equal, Ayano's ANPR is honestly probably more busted than Connor's precog

His ANPR will not save him from being shot . This is how he lost to Walter White in another thread.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He has used it in combat before

Oh, I missed that, Nvm then

But from what i am seeing, It requires time and it needs to be close range (I believe?)

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

if it requires him time than it's useless.

He made that prediciton in less than a quarter of a second, time seems to slow down when he uses it. He has also used it to predict the path of bullets before, so he can use it activley in combat

 

[Nikoandretti]

Regardless if he has guns this is entirely if ayano can aim dodge them or not.

That’s why I’ve only argued this point because this is what it boils down to. If you can prove he can dodge bullet projectiles like he does punches and kicks then we can debate hand to hand

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He made that prediciton in less than a quarter of a second, time seems to slow down when he uses it. He has also used it to predict the path of bullets before, so he can use it activley in combat

I think this is just game mechanic

 

[Nikoandretti]

He made that prediciton in less than a quarter of a second, time seems to slow down when he uses it. He has also used it to predict the path of bullets before, so he can use it activley in combat

This is what Koji needs to prove he can do. Connor has proof he can do it @XxZetsuxX