Ayanokoji (COTE) vs. Okarun (Dandadan)

[Inferno3054]

Ayanokoji vs. Okarun​

Ground Rules:

• Speed is equalized.
• Starting position is 5 meters.
• Location is on a random street in Japan.
• Neither has prior knowledge.
• Both are in-character.

Okarun's Advantages/Disadvantages:

• One-shots (Building Level)
• Greater LS (Class M)
• Bodily Weaponry
• Heavily loses stamina when using All-Out

Ayanokoji's Advantages/Disadvantages:

• Massively outskills and is far more experienced
• Analytical Prediction
• Information Analysis
• Much higher stamina (Superhuman)
• Can't damage Okarun in his Turbo Granny Form (Street Level+)

Who wins?

The White Room Masterpiece

Occult-Kun

Discontinued matchup.

 

[Arceus0x]

Okarun tries to punch Ayanokuji, gets predicted, uses all out at some point, speed-blitzes and A-trains tf out of him. Gg. Hell I'd call it a stomp since the AP difference is in the millions

 

[Robo432343]

Okarun is like millions of times stronger wtf is this

 

[Arceus0x]

Additionally Aya wouldn't predict the speed boost or anything supernatural here since unless you have spiritual energy you won't see Okarun's abilities or appearance. He'll think he's fighting someone relatively normal, just strong, and then get skiddaddled

 

[Arceus0x]

To put the final nail in this coffin, Aya doesn't seem to try and talk people out of fighting him (correct me if I'm wrong) and when he fights he often goes for holds, blocks and parries which in turn means he grabs Okarun once and gets instantly obliterated by his AP difference

 

[Inferno3054]

Additionally Aya wouldn't predict the speed boost or anything supernatural here since unless you have spiritual energy you won't see Okarun's abilities or appearance. He'll think he's fighting someone relatively normal, just strong, and then get skiddaddled

Why the presumption that All-Outs' speed boost is enough to break past Okarun's 100 km/h limit?

Based on what we know, Okarun hasn't mastered Turbo Granny's ability, and All-Out IS Okarun using her 100 km/h limit to attack.

Furthermore, Ayanokoji is capable of dodging attacks that catch him off-guard even from a blind spot, as we saw with his fight against Tsukishiro and Shiba.

The most realistic scenario here is that Ayanokoji constantly reads Okarun like a book throughout their fight, and dodges his attacks after he figures out he can't damage Okarun until the Turbo Granny transformation runs out.

 

[Arceus0x]

Why the presumption that All-Outs' speed boost is enough to break past Okarun's 100 km/h limit?

Because that's the whole point of it?

Based on what we know, Okarun hasn't mastered Turbo Granny's ability, and All-Out IS Okarun using her 100 km/h limit to attack.

If that was as such then speed would get equalized at the actual combat speed, not at the all out speed, which would mean that Okarun would still blitz

Furthermore, Ayanokoji is capable of dodging attacks that catch him off-guard even from a blind spot, as we saw with his fight against Tsukishiro and Shiba.

He can dodge but the moment he makes contact with any of Okarun's attacks he gets pulverized.

In the end, Aya has no wincons, he literally cannot beat him.

 

[Arceus0x]

Also I'm pretty sure Okarun was getting revised so the speed boost will be different

 

[Inferno3054]

Because that's the whole point of it?

If that was as such then speed would get equalized at the actual combat speed, not at the all out speed, which would mean that Okarun would still blitz

I'll concede this point then. All-Out would buff his speed above Ayanokoji's.

He can dodge but the moment he makes contact with any of Okarun's attacks he gets pulverized.

In the end, Aya has no wincons, he literally cannot beat him.

Regardless, I still don't believe Ayanokoji would get tagged by Okarun here.

Even though All-Out boosts Okarun's speed, the extent to which it does this is not known. Assuming it's within blitz territory against the likes of Ayanokoji doesn't make sense to me.

For one, All-Out is a very straightforward and readable attack that Ayanokoji can easily read with his information analysis and years of experience as a martial artist.

Furthermore, as I mentioned prior, Ayanokoji's analytical prediction allowed him to dodge an attack that he literally couldn't see and didn't predict purely out of instinct.

Spoiler: Ayanokoji dodges Shiba

 

[Arceus0x]

I'll concede this point then. All-Out would buff his speed above Ayanokoji's.

Regardless, I still don't believe Ayanokoji would get tagged by Okarun here.

Even though All-Out boosts Okarun's speed, the extent to which it does this is not known. Assuming it's within blitz territory against the likes of Ayanokoji doesn't make sense to me.

For one, All-Out is a very straightforward and readable attack that Ayanokoji can easily read with his information analysis and years of experience as a martial artist.

Furthermore, as I mentioned prior, Ayanokoji's analytical prediction allowed him to dodge an attack that he literally couldn't see and didn't predict purely out of instinct.

Spoiler: Ayanokoji dodges Shiba

Doesn't matter whether he can dodge it or not. What matters is, his combat style relies on grabs and holds as well as parries. Imagine Okarun throws a punch, Aya tries to do a block and parry like in the video I sent and the fist... Just doesn't stop. A single percent of Okarun's strength would already be enough to one-shot him. If a single hit is blocked the fist goes through and at minimum Aya would lose his hands. A single parry attempt and his hand is gone. One attempt to grab Okarun and he lets himself get grabbed and crushed by Class M LS. If all he did was dodge I could see him possibly outlasting the transformation but he doesn't only dodge. He wouldn't even see Okarun as very dangerous at first since Okarun's transformation is only visible to spiritually endowed people, meaning that in front of Aya would be an angry short nerd.

 

[Inferno3054]

Doesn't matter whether he can dodge it or not. What matters is, his combat style relies on grabs and holds as well as parries. Imagine Okarun throws a punch, Aya tries to do a block and parry like in the video I sent and the fist... Just doesn't stop. A single percent of Okarun's strength would already be enough to one-shot him. If a single hit is blocked the fist goes through and at minimum Aya would lose his hands. A single parry attempt and his hand is gone. One attempt to grab Okarun and he lets himself get grabbed and crushed by Class M LS. If all he did was dodge I could see him possibly outlasting the transformation but he doesn't only dodge.

This argument is dependent on Anime Ayanokoji's character and combat tactics.

While yes, Ayanokoji uses parries, he still has EXTREMELY broken information analysis that allows him to properly gauge how strong anyone else is without even needing to fight them. It's MORE in-character for him to take the time to analyze his opponents carefully than rush in like he did in the anime fight.

The only reason Ayanokoji used parries against Ishizaki and Albert was because he was aware he was stronger than them based on his prior meetings with them. Since Ayanokoji is going in without any information, he will be wary of Okarun and analyze him.

Furthermore, Ayanokoji is very much capable of relying solely on dodges, such as what he did against the Tsukishiro + Shiba combo where Ayanokoji was both outnumbed by two very experienced martial artists and exhausted after days of physical activity.

Ayanokoji also performed a similar dodging feat against Nanase, using a tactic where he exhausted her by dodging all of her attacks while messing with her psychologically.

He wouldn't even see Okarun as very dangerous at first since Okarun's transformation is only visible to spiritually endowed people, meaning that in front of Aya would be an angry short nerd.

Uhh, even though I never directly mentioned it in the original post, shouldn't it go without saying that Ayanokoji should be able to see Okarun's transformed state for the sake of fairness? Otherwise, this situation would be slightly akin to the JJK curses.

Am I allowed to specify this by editing the post or can I not?

 

[Arceus0x]

Ayanokoji should be able to see Okarun's transformed state for the sake of fairness? Otherwise, this situation would be slightly akin to the JJK curses.

That's how battles work here? All we equalize is speed.

 

[Inferno3054]

That's how battles work here? All we equalize is speed.

Apologies then

Keep in mind, I'm still a relatively new member of the site

 

[Chariot190]

Uhh, even though I never directly mentioned it in the original post, shouldn't it go without saying that Ayanokoji should be able to see Okarun's transformed state for the sake of fairness? Otherwise, this situation would be slightly akin to the JJK curses.

Nope, it's part of his kit. Just like your ass ain't seeing or punching a Stand without the needed abilities, you don't see his true form without ESP.

 

[Inferno3054]

Nope, it's part of his kit. Just like your ass ain't seeing or punching a Stand without the needed abilities, you don't see his true form without ESP.

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Question. How would Kiyato harm Mr No Balls? A simple AOE attack on a 8-C level or a single graze from a debris from him is turning Ayano into red mist... Dodging base physicals could maybe work sure but Mr No Balls will retaliate to something Ayano CANNOT dodge which, is as I mentioned before- AOE

 

[Inferno3054]

Question. How would Kiyato harm Mr No Balls?

Ayanokoji's main win-con here is consistently dodging Okarun's attacks via his analytical prediction, massively superior martial arts skills/combat experience, and information analysis.

The general idea here is that Ayanokoji outlasts Okarun's Turbo Granny Mode timer, since he has Superhuman stamina and Okarun only has Average stamina that dips to Below Average with All-Outs.

I believe he is capable of this.

A simple AOE attack on a 8-C level or a single graze from a debris from him is turning Ayano into red mist... Dodging base physicals could maybe work sure but Mr No Balls will retaliate to something Ayano CANNOT dodge which, is as I mentioned before- AOE

What AOE attack? Okarun doesn't have any notable range feats, only having access to Standard Melee Range?

If you're referring to just destroying the ground then I don't see how Ayanokoji isn't dodging that, since it isn't apart of Okarun's own speed.

 

[RoggerReggor]

I agree with Arceus, speed equalized would make combat speeds equal, any kind of ability boosts would proportionally still work, making Okarun speed blitz him.

This matchup is a stomp in either's favor depending on conditions.

• If it was speed equalized, Okarun stomps via speed blitzing through an All Out.
• If it was the vice-versa, Ayanokouji just outlasts Okarun.

And to say, Okarun scales below Ibuki in speed with a considerable difference. Ibuki can get reacted to by Suzune (exactly the cyclic kicks), but got blitzed by Ichika, and Ichika got blitzed by Takuya and cannot afford to even blink around him. Narratively, Takuya is stated to be much inferior to Ayanokouji, meaning that Okarun with a speed blitz worth of buff wouldn't reach Ayanokouji for the most part. And Ayanokouji will just tire him out, considering how he did the same with Nanase in Y2V4, and both Ayanokouji and Kouenji have enough feats of defeating and making their opponents knocked out through shear outlasting with stamina alone.

Therefore, I think it should be discontinued, it isn't close for either side, depending on the circumstances.

 

[Inferno3054]

I agree with Arceus, speed equalized would make combat speeds equal, any kind of ability boosts would proportionally still work, making Okarun speed blitz him.

This matchup is a stomp in either's favor depending on conditions.

• If it was speed equalized, Okarun stomps via speed blitzing through an All Out.
• If it was the vice-versa, Ayanokouji just outlasts Okarun.

And to say, Okarun scales below Ibuki in speed with a considerable difference. Ibuki can get reacted to by Suzune (exactly the cyclic kicks), but got blitzed by Ichika, and Ichika got blitzed by Takuya and cannot afford to even blink around him. Narratively, Takuya is stated to be much inferior to Ayanokouji, meaning that Okarun with a speed blitz worth of buff wouldn't reach Ayanokouji for the most part. And Ayanokouji will just tire him out, considering how he did the same with Nanase in Y2V4, and both Ayanokouji and Kouenji have enough feats of defeating and making their opponents knocked out through shear outlasting with stamina alone.

Therefore, I think it should be discontinued, it isn't close for either side, depending on the circumstances.

You're breaking my heart here Rogger

But fine, I'll take your advice.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Also, why Ayanokouji cannot Analytically Predict Okarun?
1. Ayanokouji would require Okarun's "upper limit" knowledge to predict him, something which he cannot do since he doesn't have the chance to do so. Okarun's upper limit is "All-Out" and to know Okarun's upper limit, he will have to experience All-Out, something which he cannot afford to do even for once.
2. Intuition prediction is a 80-20. It might work, but again, Okarun would be above Ayanokouji's logical knowledge itself, considering how it would be the first time he would be fighting someone with curses and having a supernatural power backing them up as a power-up, I think it wouldn't work for the most part.

 

[RoggerReggor]

You're breaking my heart here Rogger

But fine, I'll take your advice.

I am sorry.

 

[Robo432343]

Outlasting is not a wincon for Ayanakoji because he cannot harm Okarun anyway
Base Okarun still has 9-A dura

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah, how does Kouji hurt or beat Okarun?

 

[RoggerReggor]

Yeah, how does Kouji hurt or beat Okarun?

I wouldn't be too much fixated on getting into too many details but...
1. Okarun does canonically get tired to the point where he just collapses and becomes a vegetable after using All-Out.
2. Ayanokouji has enough LS to at least hold him down and block his nostrils, and just strangle and make Okarun die by suffocation, at the time when almost all of his muscles have accumulated an excess amount of lactic acid.

Secondly, Ayanokouji does have feats for that, he was able to defeat Nanase and make her collapse on a tree after running out of breath by just dodging her every attack and outlasting her (even when it has been said that he could one-shot her).
Kouenji, another character who would both narratively and by feats, scale lower than Ayanokouji in stamina, defeated 13 students who should be around Ibuki level by raw OAA in physical abilities (I don't use OAA to powerscale but you probably get this) by just outlasting them as well.

So yes,
1. He has feats for that.
2. He has enough intelligence to think of tactics of finishing off Okarun after he collapses due to stamina loss.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Okarun blinks and Ayanokouji gets evaporized what a disgusting stomp

 

[Chariot190]

Any reason why bro is gonna be predicting the dude who looks like a fuckass twink that even you could body is actually like a town busting demon that a mere graze would turn him into puddle?

Like, his info anal ain't gonna tell him that, and he has absolutely zero reason to assume he literally a quadrillion times stronger than he looks.

Again, this dude can't perceive his true form, he'd just look like a nerd.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Yeah, if Okarun has AoE attacks, once he realizes he can't tag Ayano he just throws out a massive AoE attack that would be impossible for ayanokouji to dodge or predict. Plus, he doesn't harm Okarun in a million years, so I don't really see Ayano knocking him out before Okarun just throws out something he can't dodge

If Ayanokouji had prior knowledge then I guess there would be an arguement but with no prior knowledge Okarun probably just instantly kills him

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

2. Ayanokouji has enough LS to at least hold him down and block his nostrils, and just strangle and make Okarun die by suffocation, at the time when almost all of his muscles have accumulated an excess amount of lactic acid.

He doesn't though? Ayano is Class 5 while Okarun is Class M. If Okarun got his hands on Ayano, he could rip his spine out full Predator style with that LS difference

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Okarun outnerds the fuck out of Ayanokoji. Also he mogs him into oblivion

 

[RoggerReggor]

He doesn't though? Ayano is Class 5 while Okarun is Class M. If Okarun got his hands on Ayano, he could rip his spine out full Predator style with that LS difference

I am talking about when he gets collapsed and becomes a vegetable. I am not talking about when Okarun and Ayanokouji purposefully wrestle each other, Okarun obviously stomps in that.

Either way, this matchup should just be stopped.