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Awakened Demon Lord Rimuru Tempest vs End God Mode Medaka Kurokami

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I still don't know why CP insists that Raphael would not just upgrade Rimuru with the abilities via Food Chain when there are clear statements that "Raphael constantly upgrades Rimuru", but due to that insistance the "upgrade" somehow becomes about Magical Energy instead, which doesn't even show on the profile because of a lack of a scaling target.
 
That's not how speed equalised works. If someone can amp their speed further the other party doesn't automatically speed up to make up for it.
 
The speed amp needs to be activated first, which takes Medaka one "equalized thought unit", during which Rimuru does what I just said.
 
NeoSuperior said:
No it's not. It's instantanous and via the "first thought" and parallel processing (no time lag) Rimuru gains all abilities and instantly uses any instantkill moves he already got on person. In other words it's equal in speed to Medaka's action of "erasing her time", since speed is equalized.
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Yes but Medaka's thought move is retroactive, whereas Rimuru's thought moves are instant at best. So Medaka is faster by mechanics.
 
Yes but Medaka's thought move is retroactive, whereas Rimuru's thought moves are instant at best. So Medaka is faster by mechanics.

That's different from what you said before. It means that it either DOES affect others and therefore isn't a pure speed-amp, OR it makes the speed not infinite, but immeasurable, since you actually move backwards in time and not on the same timeframe.
 
All Fiction is retroactive (whether she insta erases or speed amps it's the same thing), therefore is logically faster than all of Rimuru's moves, since retroactive is faster than instant.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
All Fiction is retroactive (whether she insta erases or speed amps it's the same thing), therefore is logically faster than all of Rimuru's moves, since retroactive is faster than instant.
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If it lead to a Speed Blitz, it is invalid anyway, rip. Her feats was cap at FLT via feat on her profile while Rimuru's reaction is cap at Massively FLT+. I believe both would be restricted because via the rule if not it would a speed stomp match for either. From the Versus Thread Rules:

  • During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.
 
The God Of Procrastination said:
Unequalise speed.
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It would be a Speed Blitz; hence, a stomp likely for Rimuru since his reaction speed woud be Massively FLT+ and we don't even the acceleratioon rate for Medaka speed but it was capped at FTL in her profile. The conclusion is not interesting.
 
Medaka has psuedo infinite speed via errasing her time. It doesn't give her an infinite speed raiting though because it's slightly differen't then speed.
 
Grace period has ended. What is still being discussed here? A TL;DR would be appreciated.
 
AKM sama said:
Grace period has ended. What is still being discussed here? A TL;DR would be appreciated.
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People supporting Rimuru's side keep protecting their side adamantly. The medaka votes haven't budged since yesterday though. There will always be people who think differently of a fight, no big deal. Current win votes for medaka are based on:

Rimuru doesn't resist All Fiction, which is a retroactive skill Medaka uses. Bloodlusted medaka would go for it 100% of the time. So Medaka takes it.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Medaka has psuedo infinite speed via errasing her time. It doesn't give her an infinite speed raiting though because it's slightly differen't then speed.
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It is has the application of speed boost that could cause Speed Blitz hence it is a speed boost.
 
I mean medaka doen't resisted some of rimuru instant kill abilities anyway.
 
You guys know Bookmaker speed blitz vote don't count in speed equalized match right because I have seeing some for Medaka from this reasoning.
 
It's not speed, we treat it as time hax. So it's a moot point. Medaka can also erase right off the bat. This already concluded and needs to be added.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
It's not speed, we treat it as time hax. So it's a moot point. Medaka can also erase right off the bat. This already concluded and needs to be added.
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Can it lead to speed blitz, if yes, then it pretty nuch not allow in speed equalized matches.
 
That doesn't make sense. If someone has a hax that gives them a faster win condition then another character it's not a speed blitz. Just because Medaka's hax direclty effects her speed doesn't mean you can't use it as an argument.
 
I still didn't see anyone give a credible argument about how anything Medaka does can bypass Rimuru's imaginary barrier. All of Fiction is NLFed to no end, somehow supposedly being capable of things that I'd only expect from conceptual manipulation, like being able to eliminate an enemy you literally cannot sense or know nothing about within a "non-real" space-hax space, with an ability that can explicitly only affect the "real" and Medaka having no spatial hax whatsoever.

Not to mention her supposedly getting range to affect the causality of a Low Universal being despite with her All Fiction's range only being "possibly Universal", for the simply absurd reason that "she affects the current Rimuru, so anything else, be it Tier 0, or whatnot that might be in the way, gets affected too!" and on top of that somehow she can affect his previous life in another Universe up to his birth as well, because who cares about "range" anyway?

Then a supposedly infinite speed amp somehow got properties of an immeasurable speed amp now, being "retroactive" and all that? No elaboration on that either.

It feels like most of the arguments come down to "Medaka thinks all her problems away!", but nothing actually concrete yet...
 
Elizhaa said:
Firephoenixearl said:
It's not speed, we treat it as time hax. So it's a moot point. Medaka can also erase right off the bat. This already concluded and needs to be added.
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Can it lead to speed blitz, if yes, then it pretty nuch not allow in speed equalized matches.
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It leads to time hax. Which doesn't count.
 
If the grace period is over, someone should request this thread.
 
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