Avatar keys for the sinnoh legendarys

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Currently, 99% of The creation trio's showings are ignored for one reason or another, one of which is "it's an avatar." Could we add keys for said avatars?

 

[Zeifyl]

There used to be a key for avatars, but it was removed, as far as I remember, due to there being no evidence that they were less able than their true forms.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

There used to be a key for avatars, but it was removed, as far as I remember, due to there being no evidence that they were less able than their true forms.

This. 100% this.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Arceus. Meteor.

 

[Zeifyl]

That's PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity). Doesn't have anything to do with avatars.

Arceus has more high end showings in the movie, than low end showings including (but certainly not limited to), tossing Universes around, and almost turning space and time indistuingishable from each other, with its emotions alone.

Causing shockwaves spanning multiversal distances by waking up.

Casually stomping the CT who, at that point in the Anime, had multiple Universe-level showings.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

When?

 

[Zeifyl]

In one of the episodes, Dialga and Palkia were forced to make a Universe. Once they broke free from what was controlling them, they destroyed this very same Universe.

While not as impressive, most of the Dialga/Palkia movie took place in a pocket dimension.

And all the things Arceus did, it did in the beginning of its movie (you know, where it was significantly weakened).

And even if none of this was the case, the meteor scene would still contradict the Manga and the core games (the latter of which Arceus reset a Universe with a fraction of its true power, essentially for ***** and giggles), both of which are higher on the hierachy of what's canon and what's not.

The meteor will never be accepted, because no amount of justification can legitimize it as anything other than Plot Induced Stupidity.

If a key was made for the Avatars, they'd most likely be around the same ballpark of 2-B as the true forms.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Or, it was a Deoxys meteor. Fair enough. On another note, the statement about Dialga and Palkia being weaker when captured is contradicted by wild ones that the player battles being no weaker once caught, so Cyrus should be 2-B in his last key.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I.....seriously hope the meteor is not being used as an actual argument again. For the upteenth time.

 

[JooCipher]

there is no evidence that avatar creation trio<true form creation trio

they are 2-B bc Palkia has a 2-B feat

"The birth of Palkia.

The creator of parallel dimensions...

Alive, yet not alive...

Everything drifts in space...

To arrive in the same universe.

It is the blessing of Palkia."

 

[AguilaR101]

I think there are not enough nuances between their true forms and avatars to warrant separating them aside from how much PIS avatars are subject to.

 

[Everything12]

Don't their avatars lack Nigh-Omnipresence, Higher Dimensional Existence, Abstract Existence, Large Size, and of course Avatar Creation, based off the fact that lesser Pokemon can at least interact with them as shown every time they appear?

 

[JooCipher]

the avatars are infinite yes with the exception of arceus

and yes, they are still abstracts

 

[Everything12]

I'm pretty sure their avatar's aren't abstract based on the fact that in literally every time their avatars appear they are attacked, and though those attacks aren't powerful enough to do any damage normally they still always interact with the avatar's.

 

[Zeifyl]

The avatars lack Nigh-Omnipresence, Large Size, and maybe Abstract Existence and Self-Sustenance.