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I agree with it, yes but I disagree with not putting the combustion man scaling in
No, the reason why she was Low 7-C in the original CRT that I made to get them there was due to them being able to block combustion man's attacks
Including Katara
That's not what the final statement was trying to highlight
What it was trying to highlight is the instances in which you believe them to scale to each other still show Azula being able to vaporize Katara's water
Which by your reasoning would not make them scale
What?
Huh?
How does this factor in to what were talking about?
In both cases they were relative in power yet she was still able to Vaporize Katara's water
Proving this is not something that specifically happens when two characters are at vastly different levels of power
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I get this.
Just A) Katara was the only one in Avatar who didn't get mentioned, and B) I disagree.
What you said was basically all of team Avatar blocked or stopped one of Combustion Man's attacks on occasions. Given that Sokka is the only non-bender and would naturally not scale, I just assumed you meant Katara was the exception when you said 'basically all'.
Cool, but I also showed instances of her not vaporizing the water, so that's an irrelevant point.
It's blatant. You can block or destroy something without scaling to it.
Getting your shield wrecked and not getting damaged yourself doesn't mean you scale to the person who only wrecked your shield.
You're claiming she halted the attack completely. I'm saying that even if that were true, water would kind of do that anyway due to its properties.
Cool, but that doesn't mean anything because she's not blocking shit in either instance.
If Katara's water was continuously vaporized without blocking anything, she just wouldn't scale at all by the end of Book 2. But she did in other instances.
I'd be different if that was the actual reasoning I'm using, but it's not.
Again, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there's no reason to scale them because she didn't really block anything as such.
Do you think Katara would even have the possibly rating at all if that was my argument?
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Here's the stuff.
Zuko specifies that nobody else can even fight the Fire Lord during Sozin's Comet. It's not just a matter of defeating him.
Katara scales to Comet Azula anyway. She was never overwhelmed, just out of water.
Book 3 Avatar State is explicitly more powerful than ever before. This would include Koizilla since Aang never felt such power.
Energy bending > elemental bending.
The Spirit World is a different reality entirely.
One of the co-creators (also writer and producer) describes Toph as the most powerful of the Gaang. But this is very much an opinion in context.
Ozai's lightning bending > firebending.
Ozai's opening attack on Aang's earth sphere was more powerful than what he used prior.
Zuko specifies that nobody else can even fight the Fire Lord during Sozin's Comet. It's not just a matter of defeating him.
Katara scales to Comet Azula anyway. She was never overwhelmed, just out of water.
Book 3 Avatar State is explicitly more powerful than ever before. This would include Koizilla since Aang never felt such power.
Energy bending > elemental bending.
The Spirit World is a different reality entirely.
One of the co-creators (also writer and producer) describes Toph as the most powerful of the Gaang. But this is very much an opinion in context.
Ozai's lightning bending > firebending.
Ozai's opening attack on Aang's earth sphere was more powerful than what he used prior.
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It's not irrelevant if it shows that relative characters can cancel out each others attacks like what was shown in Katara vs Azula
Once again this is a very poor analogy
By using this analogy and slotting in the characters to there respective roles
Azula's firebending (The sword) breaks Katara's shield (Her waterbending) and of course Katara herself wouldn't scale to her waterbending, we already accept that as fact in ATLA
Also I know you weren't going for that argument but by using that bad analogy that's basically what you are saying
A better in more correct analogy would be Azula's Sword (Her lightning) and Katara's Sword (Her waterbending) clash and both destroy each other. Both swords are relative to each other
Which is exactly what we see happen
I'm not claiming she halted the attack completely
She DID halt the attack completely, it's right there
Also your argument about fiction following the laws of physics as an excuse is just not a factor in this due to how often fiction breaks these rules
It's a clash in which both parties attacks cancel each others out
She canceled out an attack with her own which is literally just a case of A=B
I could go on but I really don't want to argue this until the current CRT is finished
For now we can say that we disagree and continue working on other stuff to do with the verse
Fair?
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This is literally just exactly the same shit as before, so I'm not even going to bother arguing. As I said, this here is proof enough for me because she could've actually put up a fight if there was more water.
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Huh, I guess all that arguing was for nothing...
Do you think that this calls into question of if Aang should scale to the full power of the Avatar state even at the beginning?
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Aang called himself with Koizilla 'as powerful as I have ever felt' in Book 1, so technically it increases scaling.
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Here's my ideas.
The Book 3 Gaang, Ozai and Iroh all become 7-C.
Zuko and Azula (who gets a new key) are at least Low 7-C in base, since I can't find anything that'd scale them to anything other than Aang's firebending (if even that, considering that Ozai could stomp Azula and Zuko).
Ozai was still >> his base self when fighting Aang (who wasn't really trying to hurt Ozai according to multiple sources), but not quite using all his power until Aang used his earth sphere.
The Book 3 Gaang, Ozai and Iroh all become 7-C.
Zuko and Azula (who gets a new key) are at least Low 7-C in base, since I can't find anything that'd scale them to anything other than Aang's firebending (if even that, considering that Ozai could stomp Azula and Zuko).
Ozai was still >> his base self when fighting Aang (who wasn't really trying to hurt Ozai according to multiple sources), but not quite using all his power until Aang used his earth sphere.
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An actual screenshot from the avatar mobile game. This part is adapted from one of the Kyoshi novels.
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Dang
An actual screenshot from the avatar mobile game. This part is adapted from one of the Kyoshi novels.
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They have a mobile game?
An actual screenshot from the avatar mobile game. This part is adapted from one of the Kyoshi novels.
(Are we gonna be getting Chinamen Wank?)
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We ain’t that lucky.
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I mean, Zuko does look like he's turning into a wuxia character in that picture above...
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Sounds like hater talk.
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It's a reference to how high DMC's rating got high because of a Chinese mobile game.
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Nah, only when they keep tossing around stuff like Dao and other cultivator shit. I want the flowery ass descriptions they got for lore and skill.
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Unalaq's profile still hasn't been changed regarding the attack potency for his first key. It should say "can put up a fight against base Korra".
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I have not seen the sandbox.
Edit: Just found it. Looks good.
Edit: Just found it. Looks good.
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Hypothetical scenario: how do you think the avatar state would interact with a possession attempt?
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I feel like having hundreds of people inside you would overwhelm whatever is trying to posses you
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I feel the same, though I don't know how they would get the attempted possessor out.
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AS is already possession anyway considering the Rage of the Avatars controlling Aang, and Roku and Kyoshi possessing Aang on multiple occasions. Aang at least would resist possession since he could shrug off the Rage of the Avatars while the others might be more up in the air. If they have mastered AS, they should scale to Aang’s resistance imo.
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I wonder what kind of villain the movie will have when it comes out, if it even has one. Considering Yakone was the strongest non-spirit villain in the franchise, and he showed up after the movie is supposed to take place, I expect they won't be too wild.
Hope that we get some good feats from AS Aang.
Hope that we get some good feats from AS Aang.
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Yes
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I mean, he could take away people's bending, which is something that his father couldn't do. But Yakone has psychic/thought-based bloodbending, which seems way stronger then anything Amon could do.
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Amon has the psychic bloodbending too. We see him learn it right before he runs away in Tarrlok’s flashback from when they were teens. Amon surpassed Yakone in every way.
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There was never a moment he did it in the present, though? After Korra found out who he is, I don't recall him ever using it. All of his actions used gestures.
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He may preferred to use gestures rather than through his mind
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Just found something where the creators stated that Amon was able to use psychic bloodbending to subtly change his opponent's movements so that he could catch them and debend them.
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