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At Least Universal DMC and more.....

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Well, the Human World is basically another half, so it's possible it's infinite as well, although that's a bit reaching.

But yeah, merging these two would be High 3-A, since there's no statement about either of them being separate space-time continuums
 
Nothing quite indicates the Demon World is infinite, but we know that it is at the very least bigger than our universe, considering the universe was born from the Demon World and the DMC2 guidebook states the Demon World would consume our universe, meaning it must at least be as large as it.
 
kep the japanese raw of the DMC 3 manga says endless/infinite darkness. There is the translation which is roughly the same but yeah. The darkness was the demon world as stated in the manga and the light is the human world which was born from the darkness
 
RebubleUselet said:
There's one in DMC3 manga, but I don't really know what it is.
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That'd probably be the line talking about the universe being "endless chaos".

The word "endless" is a lot less objective than the word "infinite", though.
 

"The world was born from darkness. Unending darkness. A crucible of chaos. But even to that primordial existence there came a ray of light. The universe was eventually split in two. The darkness became the realm of demons... and the light became the domain of mortals..." - DMC3 Manga

Sargosso's description as Kep said.

Astronomical Board: "An astrological device which displays the endless void. Said to be powered by time."

I'm pretty sure there's more but I'm trying to do the summary so I can't post it now.
 
I was actually referring to Sargasso's enemy file, which mentions him throwing people at the "endless sea of the Demon World", and as I said, it's hard to take literally, since "endless" and "unending" are more prone to hyperbole than "infinite"
 
I have no issue with discarding High 3-A in favour of the far more likely 3-A option., due to the lack of objectivity in those "endless" quotes, as Kep said.
 
@Dante

Trust me, a MK revision will happen. The series is hilariously downplayed.

But in regards to the Demon World... Yeah, nobody ever literally merges any universes. It is always, invariably, through portals and barriers and things such as the Temen-ni-gru Tower.
 
Also, when you look at that quote in its context, it is talking about how small the amount of light that became the Human World actually was in comparison to the sheer amount of darkness that represented the Demon World. So it's just a way of saying that the Demon World was extremely large, much, much bigger than our universe, not that it was really infinite, as some are saying.
 
@Kepekley23

In either translation the endless, unending, infinite darkness is noted seperatedly from chaos.But if the statements are easily taken as hyperbolic then I guess that's fine.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
@Dante
Trust me, a MK revision will happen. The series is hilariously downplayed.

But in regards to the Demon World... Yeah, nobody ever literally merges any universes. It is always, invariably, through portals and barriers and things such as the Temen-ni-gru Tower.
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The Temen-Ni-Gru is irrelevant to DMC2's plot. Stop thinking about Mundus and start thinking about Argosax. Please find one scan in DMC2 that supports your point of view in regards to Argosax.
 
It's you who must prove the positive, Paradox. Argosax has no feats and all which his "merging" does is open portals.
 
This thread will reach the maximum of 501 posts soon. You need to start a continuation.
 
Last time; please provide evidence of this portal existing on DMC2's plotline. Repeating that it exists without a scan counts for absolutely nothing.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
It's you who must prove the positive, Paradox. Argosax has no feats and all which his "merging" does is open portals.
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I mean, you must prove that the portals exist before he has to prove that they don't
 
@Matthew Schroeder

No, you have to prove the existence of portals.@Paradoxindifferent already shown his proof now you got to debunk it or show proof of your claim.
 
Not to mention the absolutely ridiculous implication of Arius opening a universe-sized portal that would engulf our world. The only portal that exists on Devil May Cry 2's whole campaign is a gate at the very end of the game, that has literally nothing to do with prior events, which by the way is opened only after Argosax is summoned and 10+ missions after Arius states the world is being warped and everything will revert to its original state.

This is pretty much a meme.
 
You have to prove it my dude, lmao.

We literally see it in the cutscenes which you are so willingly ignored. And universe-sized portal?It's not even planet sized. These ideas which you push are literal emes.
 
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Well, apparently, the statements about the world merging started in mid game, and we don't have portals by that time
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Later we have and that's the extent of the merging that we see.
 
Matthew you have many claims that arent in DMC2 especially portals when argosax merged two worlds. Even thoughthat was never a thing in the firstplace.
 
> You have to prove it my dude, lmao

Not how basic logic and debates work. If you make the unfounded assumption about non-existent portals, you have to back it up, not ask me to prove the negative.

> We literally see it in the cutscenes which you are so willingly ignored.

You have provided no scans, no links to where it is stated that this portal would be responsible for the two worlds merging, and continue not to provide them.

> And universe-sized portal?It's not even planet sized.

Well, it isn't, since this portal doesn't exist in the context you're proclaiming it to.
 
@Matthew Schroeder

Which cutscenes?The only one that's in the game and that Argosax is involved with is the one he's breaking out of.
 
We never see any two worlds merge in Devil May Cry 2, that is factual. And the full extent of the merging is the skies distorting and demons coming out of portals. This happens multiple times in the game. I don't need to prove something which is literally in-game, but apparently ignored so hard.
 
> We never see any two worlds merge in Devil May Cry 2, that is factual.

We don't have to visually see two universes merge when we're outright stated by multiple sources that Argosax would make it happen.

> I don't need to prove something which is literally in-game, but apparently ignored so hard.

No scans, no proof.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
We never see any two worlds merge in Devil May Cry 2, that is factual. And the full extent of the merging is the skies distorting and demons coming out of portals. This happens multiple times in the game. I don't need to prove something which is literally in-game, but apparently ignored so hard.
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But youre ugnoring tthefact Arius and the guidebook consistently says this. Stop this strawman
 
Sparda 20000000 said:
I think Matthew is talking about the portal Dante goes into to fight argosax
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The exact same portal that I have talked about that is opened at the end of the game? By the time Arius opens the Hell Gate, the Demon World and the Human World are pretty much already merged with each other.

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: This portal was opened at the end of the game. Arius states that the "world is already warped and will revert to its original form" on Mission 8. Dozens of missions before that happens.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Literally here.

"The ritual is complete... But the door to the demon world is..."

The ritual that was being performed by Arius to unite the worlds only involved creating a portal.
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Yes and thats not relevant whether u can debunk the merging by argosax. All it showed is him forcing his way through. Even though earlier than that statemenr Argosax already merged the human world with demon world before being ccompletely unsealed.
 
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