Asterix upgrade revision thread

[Flashlight237]

So the entire Asterix verse is getting both a buff and a nerf. So, the buff in this regard is an AP buff.: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Asterix_Calc_Fix:_The_Javelin_Throw

We're going from 16.614 kilotons to 41.595 kilotons of TNT just from more appropriating calculating an old feat based on relativistic KE and items available in the time period of the Asterix world. Mhmm.

As for the nerf... It's a Lifting Strength nerf. The Class 100 value came from a Reddit post with uncertain reliability. We have uprooting trees as Class 10 based on a study on vertically uprooting tree stumps: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats?so=search#Uprooting_a_Tree

Unless you can come back with more reliable support for Class 100, that feat is going down to Class 10. So yeah, there you have it.

 

[Cropfist]

I agree with this.

 

[Tonygameman]

Guess this seems fine to go with.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Would Obelix throwing stuff count for the LS of Potion users? There are many instances of him throwing heavy objects large distances, like his menhirs, trees, rocks, animals (in the Magic Carpet he threw a rhinoceros hundreds of meters above the jungle). I also recall him towing several merchant ships through a river in Asterix and Cleopatra.

 

[Napoleondevious]

So the entire Asterix verse is getting both a buff and a nerf. So, the buff in this regard is an AP buff.: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Asterix_Calc_Fix:_The_Javelin_Throw

We're going from 16.614 kilotons to 41.595 kilotons of TNT just from more appropriating calculating an old feat based on relativistic KE and items available in the time period of the Asterix world. Mhmm.

As for the nerf... It's a Lifting Strength nerf. The Class 100 value came from a Reddit post with uncertain reliability. We have uprooting trees as Class 10 based on a study on vertically uprooting tree stumps: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats?so=search#Uprooting_a_Tree

Unless you can come back with more reliable support for Class 100, that feat is going down to Class 10. So yeah, there you have it.

i agree, but the link of the feat is dead (video doesnt exist anymore i think) so someone should provide a scan/link to the feat on the calculation

 

[Flashlight237]

Would Obelix throwing stuff count for the LS of Potion users? There are many instances of him throwing heavy objects large distances, like his menhirs, trees, rocks, animals (in the Magic Carpet he threw a rhinoceros hundreds of meters above the jungle). I also recall him towing several merchant ships through a river in Asterix and Cleopatra.

Got scans? Because those would help in this case.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Got scans? Because those would help in this case.

Gimme a sec. I'm looking for them around online since I don't have my albums with me right now.

 

[Flashlight237]

Gimme a sec. I'm looking for them around online since I don't have my albums with me right now.

Take as long as you need. I sense there is plenty of calc potential here.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Alrighto, found something better, here we go:

• Obelix throws a tree trunk at a legionare.
• Obelix throws a rhinoceros above the jungle.
• Obelix throws a menhir and crushes a roman catapult.
• Obelix casually runs with a menhir in each hand and throws one at a roman.
• Obelix casually runs while carrying a bunch of large stone blocks.
• Obelix tows 5 egyptian boats.
• Egyptian workers under the effect of the Magic Potion casually toss around stone blocks as they build a palace.
• Asterix and Obelix playfully toss a menhir between themselves and catch it with one arm.
• Obelix catches a boulder thrown by a catapult and throws it back.
• Obelix rows a galley so quickly that it passes through the beach and crashes into a roman camp.
• Asterix pulls a cart with several tree logs.
• Rethoric (the goth scumbag) nopes the attemps of four horses to tear off his limbs.

 

[Tonygameman]

There's also this feat from Asterix and the Chariot Race (2017), where Obelix threw a large boulder far distance back to the erupting Mount Vesuvius, blocking it's crater.

 

[Flashlight237]

There's also this feat from Asterix and the Chariot Race (2017), where Obelix threw a large boulder far distance back to the erupting Mount Vesuvius, blocking it's crater.

Oooo... That might be the biggest LS feat of them all.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Are we sticking to the comics only or do the movies count as well?

 

[Flashlight237]

Are we sticking to the comics only or do the movies count as well?

Well, DontTalk's calc came from a cartoon, so I don't see why you wouldn't.

 

[Flashlight237]

There's also this feat from Asterix and the Chariot Race (2017), where Obelix threw a large boulder far distance back to the erupting Mount Vesuvius, blocking it's crater.

Okay, so it's not evaluated yet (I'm holding that off until I get to the other scans), but Obelix's feat in the scan you provided is at least Class M: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Asterix_Calcs_for_Lifting_Strength_Feats

 

[Tonygameman]

Regarding what you said on scaling there, I think we should give Gauls base and potion keys like Popeye has. (aside of non-invulnerability and Obelix nudging Asterix twice without knocking him out cold in Caesar's Gift, which could give an argument to keep the tier if all those fish brawls he participated on are taken into account)

Cacofonix's profile already brought that he is capable of surviving lightning strikes, for example. (Romans, pirates and vikings one of which he harmed, also regularly withstand their attacks, but that'll only make them stone walls at the very least)

i agree, but the link of the feat is dead (video doesnt exist anymore i think) so someone should provide a scan/link to the feat on the calculation

Also, here's the video. (unless it means doing a whole thing again)

 

[Napoleondevious]

Also, here's the video. (unless it means doing a whole thing again)

the guy next to obelix seem to outspeed (or at least move at comparable speed) so they should be upgraded to the speed of the javelin in travel wouldnt they? sorry if this isnt the place

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks a lot for helping out, @TartaChocholate and @Flashlight237 .

 

[TartaChocholate]

Regarding what you said on scaling there, I think we should give Gauls base and potion keys like Popeye has. (aside of non-invulnerability and Obelix nudging Asterix twice without knocking him out cold in Caesar's Gift, which could give an argument to keep the tier if all those fish brawls he participated on are taken into account)

Them being stone walls would make a lot of sense. Despite not being on the level of serious Magic Potion user, they are shown to withstand casual
smacks from them. And even them there are some superhuman displays for base characters here and there, like Fullautomatix burying Cacophonix up to the shoulders in the sand by smacking him with a fish (can't remember the album, but the joke was they were renting Unihyenix's fishes instead of buying them, which, understandably, was pretty upsetting for the merchant), Cacophonix burying Fulliautomatix on the ground by clobbering him with his own hammer in The Rose and the Sword. In their common fish brawls they also smack each other with blunt objects like nothing, like wooden boxes, hammers, maces, rocks, shields and they just seem annoyed by it.

Maybe adding empowerment based on anger or determination could be viable? I recall that in the Residence of the Gods a potionless Asterix, visibly angered at his village neighbors buying into the Roman propaganda, uppercut Fulliautomatix with enough strength to send him flying with similar strength to his usual potion uppercuts, and in the Big Fight, Vitalstatistix was fighting a Gaul chief and depending on the result of the fight, his village would be taken over by Romans, but he and Asterix knew the Romans would invade even if he won, but once he received the news the villagers had Magic Potion and were ready to fight, he openly stated something along the lines of "Ah! Those news fill me with strength!" proceeding to punch the enemy chief and send him flying out of the ring. Vitalstatistix also uppercut his snobby brother-in-law in in the ending of the Laurel Wreath, when after sending Asterix and Obelix on all the trouble to get Caesar's crown to make a stew just to show him up, his sibling had the nerve to complain about the meat quality.

Cacofonix's profile already brought that he is capable of surviving lightning strikes, for example. (Romans, pirates and vikings one of which he harmed, also regularly withstand their attacks, but that'll only make them stone walls at the very least)


Also, here's the video. (unless it means doing a whole thing again)

I think there are times that potionless Gauls have been dodgin arrows and stones from Roman weapons but I can't recall well.

 

[Flashlight237]

If the other guys were to get keys, I don't think there would be any keys for Obelix. Pretty sure that guy is, like, permanently infused with the potion.

 

[TartaChocholate]

If the other guys were to get keys, I don't think there would be any keys for Obelix. Pretty sure that guy is, like, permanently infused with the potion.

Pretty much, the effects of the potion are permanent on Obelix, something the comics bring up several times, so he should be the exception to getting a new key if it's done.

 

[Flashlight237]

Goodness, this thread turned into a verse update thread lmao.

 

[Napoleondevious]

If the other guys were to get keys, I don't think there would be any keys for Obelix. Pretty sure that guy is, like, permanently infused with the potion.

"Tu es tombé dans la marmite etant bébé. Les effets de la potion sont permanent chez toi; en boire encore serait dangereux!..." (7th panel)
traduction :"You fell into the pot as a baby. The effects of the potion are permanent for you; to drink more would be dangerous!..."

i cant find the english version sorry but the french one should do it right?

 

[TartaChocholate]

"Tu es tombé dans la marmite etant bébé. Les effets de la potion sont permanent chez toi; en boire encore serait dangereux!..." (7th panel)
traduction :"You fell into the pot as a baby. The effects of the potion are permanent for you; to drink more would be dangerous!..."

i cant find the english version sorry but the french one should do it right?

I think it's good enough, it's the original language and all. Not to mention, a common gag is Obelix trying to get a drink but Getafix scolding him and telling him this again. Asterix in Atlantis also shows that if someone drinks potion when already under its effects, they turn into a granite statue.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Goodness, this thread turned into a verse update thread lmao.

You know what? Yeah, let's do this. These battleboarders are crazy.

 

[Flashlight237]

Okay, so an update on the LS calcs... The rhino toss is Class K while the feat of Obelix throwing a Menhir at a catapult at comparable range is Class 100. No evals yet.

Boulder toss is Class 50 to Class K. No evals yet.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Okay, so an update on the LS calcs... The rhino toss is Class K while the feat of Obelix throwing a Menhir at a catapult at comparable range is Class 100. No evals yet.

Boulder toss is Class 50 to Class K. No evals yet.

Awesome, quite above the initial Class 10.

 

[Flashlight237]

More updates, I wasn't able to estimate the actual force of pulling ships, but I was able to get a Class 25 pull weight.

As for Obelix rowing a ship into a Roman camp... I got a Class K to Class M range.

 

[Flashlight237]

Well, I did all the LS feats I could and... They're not evaluated yet, but I got consistent Class 50, Class 100, Class K, and Class M feats!: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Asterix_Calcs_for_Lifting_Strength_Feats

 

[TartaChocholate]

Well, I did all the LS feats I could and... They're not evaluated yet, but I got consistent Class 50, Class 100, Class K, and Class M feats!: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Flashlight237/Asterix_Calcs_for_Lifting_Strength_Feats

Lol, frigawesome. Excellent job, dude!

 

[TartaChocholate]

Just throwing this here, would this count as lightning dodging?

 

[Flashlight237]

Just throwing this here, would this count as lightning dodging?

Yes, that actually would considering they legit reacted (and jumped) to actual lightning.

 

[IDK3465]

I’m not an expert on the series by any means, but all the proposals here seem ok with me

 

[Tonygameman]

8-C (assuming that's where lightning strikes still goes) and potentially HHS+ Base (Fireld implies that a tree log cart feat and metal-bend/twisting are performed without it) to High 7-C and Sub-Rela, this ain't bad.

EDIT: Saying this to @Napoleondevious if they're seeing this, I'll likely write a proper discussion thread for us to plan out future revisions after the current one here is done for. (especially with a game canon feat in mind)

 

[Napoleondevious]

would this qualify for pseudo flight (flapping his feet like a bird flaps his wings) and light manipulation (creation from his aura) ? this is a common feat (the aura) when character drinks the potion, especially in the movie if i remember correctly it creates a shockwave/strong wind

in tome 33, an alien clone can fly very high with anti gravity technology, and obelix says that with some potion he can replicate the feat l
"ils ont la faculté de se deplacer facilement grace a l'anti gravitation" : "they have the ability to move easily thanks to anti-gravity"
"Moi, un peu de potion magique et j'en fais autant!" : "A little magic potion and I can do the same!"
ikely refering the ability to fly and not literallly manipulate gravity, so should potion amped obelix be given a possibly flight hax ?

obelix can also resist an attack described as "le feu du ciel" or ;"the fire of the sky" likely refering the weapone being empowered by the sun, would this qualify for fire manip resistence?

sorry if this isnt the place but the thread seemed to transform into a verse update thread so i thought of putting this here

 

[Flashlight237]

8-C (assuming that's where lightning strikes still goes) and potentially HHS+ Base (Fireld implies that a tree log cart feat and metal-bend/twisting are performed without it) to High 7-C and Sub-Rela, this ain't bad.

EDIT: Saying this to @Napoleondevious if they're seeing this, I'll likely write a proper discussion thread for us to plan out future revisions after the current one here is done for. (especially with a game canon feat in mind)

Excuse me! Did I hear someone ask for a 7-A Asterix feat?: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...rix_and_Obelix_Uppercuts_Romans_into_the_Moon

 

[Dark-Carioca]

I think the issue with that Obélix throw feat is that iirc KE only works for objects of a certain weight, and that spear is too light.

Excuse me! Did I hear someone ask for a 7-A Asterix feat?: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...rix_and_Obelix_Uppercuts_Romans_into_the_Moon

Well dang, game Astérix is pretty beastly it seems.

 

[Flashlight237]

I think the issue with that Obélix throw feat is that iirc KE only works for objects of a certain weight, and that spear is too light.


Well dang, game Astérix is pretty beastly it seems.

There are plans to send DVD-sized satellites to Alpha Centauri at 0.2c: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlight_(interstellar_probe)

I doubt physics of any kind, let alone KE, is weight-limited.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

8-C (assuming that's where lightning strikes still goes) and potentially HHS+ Base (Fireld implies that a tree log cart feat and metal-bend/twisting are performed without it) to High 7-C and Sub-Rela, this ain't bad.

Tanking a lightning strike is a feat of resistance to eletricity manip, not of durability. Pretty sure you can't use this type of feat to upgrade a character's physical stats, that's why the previous value used for PvZ's 8-C rating was downgraded.

EDIT: Saying this to @Napoleondevious if they're seeing this, I'll likely write a proper discussion thread for us to plan out future revisions after the current one here is done for. (especially with a game canon feat in mind)

Why would the game be canon?

 

[Tonygameman]

Why would the game be canon?

I was only trying to say that the XXL series could get separate canon profiles, but that subject should be saved for a future discussion thread.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I was only trying to say that the XXL series could get separate canon profiles, but that subject should be saved for a future discussion thread.

Fine then, my bad