Asriel VS Kumagawa

[TauanVictor]

"Flowey" Asriel Dreemurr VS "Bookmaker User" Misogi Kumagawa​

• Both in-character and 10m away
• Equalized speed
• Omega Flowey | EoS Kumagawa

Asriel:
Kumagawa:
Inconclusive:

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Son

 

[TauanVictor]

Son

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[FoxySonicMaster108]

?

What does Kumagawa do against a Low 1-C bruh, not to mention I’m 99% sure Flowey outhaxes

 

[TauanVictor]

What does Kumagawa do against a Low 1-C bruh

He doesn't have HDE so Kumagawa could affect him.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

"Asriel" this some clickbait

 

[Robo432343]

What does Kumagawa do against a Low 1-C bruh, not to mention I’m 99% sure Flowey outhaxes

asriel does not resist type 2 concept hax
kumagawa wins

 

[TauanVictor]

"Asriel" this some clickbait

It's just to turn easy the search lol.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

asriel does not resist type 2 concept hax
kumagawa wins

Would the Conceptual Manip even work on Flowey? Kumagawa has only done it to erase colour to make a person’s skill worthless, and could use it to erase the concept of time if he wanted. Plus I doubt he’d do that off the bat.

If his erasure can affect beings at the conceptual level (I doubt it) and it does work, Flowey takes it 90% of the time at least. Because Flowey’s save and load is some bs, it’d make bookmaker or any other methods to put him down worthless

 

[Cipher72]

Well to start off the SBA is definitely not helping, does Flowey resist causality manipulation or is acausal or sth ?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Well to start off the SBA is definitely not helping, does Flowey resist causality manipulation or is acausal or sth ?

No, but Save and Load is annoying because Flowey relies on it to come back, thus it’s most likely a hard counter to Misogi’s All Fiction anyway.

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean cm2 kinda negs no?

 

[Cipher72]

No, but Save and Load is annoying because Flowey relies on it to come back, thus it’s most likely a hard counter to Misogi’s All Fiction anyway.

What does that do ? I couldn't find a link to the profiles

 

[Mbpoops]

What does that do ? I couldn't find a link to the profiles

I think it kinda works like immortality where he can just load a previous save file as a revival method

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I mean cm2 kinda negs no?

I don’t think it’s that simple, given Kumagawa hasn’t erased anyone in combat. Also Kumagawa himself doesn’t have Acausality so I don’t even think he’d understand what’s going on when Flowey uses Save and Load.

What does that do ? I couldn't find a link to the profiles

Here


Giving it some more thought, Bookmaker could maybe have a shot at incapping before Flowey thinks to use Save and Load (I believe it’s thought based), but who knows if it would even affect Flowey.

 

[Cipher72]

Snip

I assume it'a the limited Info-2, if it functions similar to LGR then it wouldn't really work even if it uses Info-2 because Kumagawa's EE is causality based so he would erase the very act that resulted in Flowey's existence making Resurrection and anything of the sorts impossible but obviously that's not his SBA as the only time he did that is with Zenkichi and that was because he knew Zenkichi would come back and to teach Shiranui a lesson so yea....
Bookmaker ig ? Can flowey perma kill Kuma though ?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

snip

Save and Load affects all of reality so I doubt it’s anything like LGR (Maybe I really am in need of an Undertale replay LOL but that was pretty blatantly shown in the Omega Flowey fight)

Also I just recalled I’m not even sure if Bookmaker incapping is as likely, given Medaka didn’t get KO’d from it. And DETERMINATION gives WAY better Willpower than Medaka does.

Alas I’m not sure if Flowey can put Kumagawa down for good (he probably can) but I’ll wait for other UT supporters.

 

[StrymULTRA]

asriel does not resist type 2 concept hax
kumagawa wins

Misogi does not resist type 2 information hax
Flowey wins

 

[Robo432343]

ewww info hax

 

[StrymULTRA]

ewww info hax