Asriel Dreemurr vs YHVH

[SeiryuShin]

Lucifer has never been YHVH's equal. He even flat out admits himself he's been killed over and over in their war.

 

[Tivanenk]

Lucifer has never been YHVH's equal. He even flat out admits himself he's been killed over and over in their war.

He said he was YHVH's equal in SMT IV.

 

[SeiryuShin]

He most certainly is not and both were weakened horribly by time IV happens


At best that means his so called "complete" state is equal to a massively weakened YHVH

 

[MagiSinbad]

Where does it say that Kagutsuchi is YHVH's avatar? Because I've seen evidence that he is the Great Will's avatar.

There is a reason for us to believe that The Great Will in Norctune is actually difference from the Great Will . Well, while TGW in the Norctune acting like a huge force of the Law, TGW in 4 FINAL is neutral in every single way.

Also, Lucifer is not strong as YHVH, He feared Satan and Satan is obviously not strong as YHVH

 

[Alice_Liddel_in_WikiLand]

Lucifer has never been YHVH's equal. He even flat out admits himself he's been killed over and over in their war.

He said he was YHVH's equal in SMT IV.

This was retconned hard in Final.

Look at this. Seriously:


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You have literally the four Samurai. Incluiding a neutral Flynn who already beat Lucifer and Merkabah. You also have Nanashi and all his friends fighting against YVHV true form. Lucifer is waaaay bellow YVHV.


Also. I've recently read in the wiki that YVHV keeps reviving Lucifer to continue the battle between Law and Chaos. So...

 

[SeiryuShin]

in the earlier SMTs he doesn't explain, he just notes he's been killed multiple times before and revives

I still personally believe people should wait until SMT IV F is translated.

 

[SeiryuShin]

in the earlier SMTs he doesn't explain, he just notes he's been killed multiple times before and revives

I still personally believe people should wait until SMT IV F is translated.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I also agree we should wait until Final is released in the west. Their could be some major context as to why Flynn and the others are fighting YHVH we're missing.