Asriel Dreemurr VS Giorno Giovanna

[EnnardTrap1987]

Gold Experience Requiem is used

Speed equalised

Full Power Asriel is used

"Time to erase the universe..": 1

"No u, Go back to zero where you belong!": 5

Inconclusive: 0

 

[TriforcePower1]

Asriel is 3D, Giorno RtZ GG

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Uh, causuality manipulation needs a cause and an effect.

Destroying all of time kind of negates that.

Asriel sucks Girono in with the whole timeline.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Asriel doesn't lead with timeline destruction. Also, RtZ's automatic.

 

[EnnardTrap1987]

So i assume that's a vote for Giorno.

 

[Axl233]

Giorno solos the undertale verse.

 

[EnnardTrap1987]

Giorno solos the undertale verse.

Giorno has Protag Privilege, even in his Minecraft server (nah jk)

 

[Axl233]

Giorno has Protag Privilege, even in his Minecraft server (nah jk)

Nothing can stop the most powerful ability,piano manipulation.

 

[Necromercer]

Dream Boi FRA

 

[EnnardTrap1987]

You know what, to make this more fair for Asriel, i'm gonna replace base Asriel with Full Power.

 

[Necromercer]

still Gonna say Gio, due to asreil not leading with Timeline destruction.

 

[EnnardTrap1987]

GER be killing Asriel with the 7 page MUDA while Giorno plays the piano.

 

[Necromercer]

yep.

 

[Silentpixels]

but giorno can't actually kill him

at worst he could incap, but 8-c punching isn't doing a thing to a 2-b character

 

[Ionliosite]

GER FRA

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Giorno FRA

 

[Axl233]

but giorno can't actually kill him

at worst he could incap, but 8-c punching isn't doing a thing to a 2-b character

Yeah,but he can seet his will to zero and mindhax him with sense acceleration. maybe eveen age him to death but that out of character.

 

[I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die]

Girono FRA,

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Uh, no guys, not at all.

First of all, GER is never killing Asriel, so that abilities is never getting off.

Secondly, Asriel can just travel back in time before anything he does is undone.

Thirdly, his very first act is to absorb every soul he can and reset reality back in time. Frisk resisted the former and nullified the latter, Giorno can't do that.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Beyond that, DT makes him determinate again if his will is set to zero, and DETERMINATION itself is way outside Giorno's ability to affect.

Also, aging something beyond time to death is a definite no. We don't tend to add type 1 immortality to tier 2s, but he is a boss monster and he won't age unless he gets a child, and dying of old age would make him reverse time.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So, uh, what happened to higher D beings? Cuz Asriel would stomp if it still works

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So, uh, what happened to higher D beings? Cuz Asriel would stomp if it still works

What do you mean higher D beings?

Asriel himself isn't higher D, but DT is and Giorno isn't nulling that.

People also seem to be ignoring that Giorno's ability relies on cause and effect, which itself completely relies on time being a thing.

 

[Theglassman12]

Friendly reminder that Asriel is going to have passive paralysis in his strongest form.

 

[Axl233]

good thing GER doesn't need Giorno's command to work,

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

good thing GER doesn't need Giorno's command to work,

That doesn't help with passive aura that paralyses tier 2s dude...

Regardless, GER can't do much at all. Punching won't do anything, DT and resets undo anything it could potentially hax for Asriel, and Asriel starts with soul absorption and leads on with a true reset.

If GER is somehow unaffected he'll just eat the timeline and make a new one.

 

[Axl233]

So what?GER is not the one getting paralysed.

Willpower manip and senses acceleration screws up with Asriel.

Casuality nanip happens eveen if time is erased.

 

[Jinsye]

So what?GER is not the one getting paralysed.

Wouldn't the aura also paralyze GER...?

 

[Axl233]

can Asriel eveen affect or see stands?

 

[Silentpixels]

since he isn't a stand user, nope

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That sounds kinda NLF to me, not gonna lie.

 

[Silentpixels]

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG but GER's willpower manip and rtz are both passive, basically making anything asriel can do useless since he'll be unable to resist the incap. Any passive ability he has is essentially nulled by rtz.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Its not passive, its automatic

 

[Silentpixels]

Its not passive, its automatic

feel free to tell me the difference

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So what?GER is not the one getting paralysed.
Willpower manip and senses acceleration screws up with Asriel.

Casuality nanip happens eveen if time is erased.

I said above why they don't. DETERMINATION yeets will manip out of the window.

Accelerating the senses won't do anything at all. Any damage to his mind is undone, and he just goes back to how he was and resets the world.

Time Erased in mechanics is nothing like what the act of time not existing is. Time Erasure is contrived and complicated as all hell, but it still follows logic and casuality.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Passive it means its always working

Automatic it means it responds to any action against Giorno, but its not really haxing the opponent at all times, only when they try to attack

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

feel free to tell me the difference

Passive is doing something without acting.

GER simply reacts to outside effects without orders.


Regardless, Asriel still just does the soul absorption (nor sure how GER would react after both it and Giorno getting absorbed and becoming brainwashed to fight for Asriel, but doesn't matter), and doing a true reset.

 

[Silentpixels]

feel free to tell me the difference

Passive is doing something without acting.
GER simply reacts to outside effects without orders.


Regardless, Asriel still just does the soul absorption (nor sure how GER would react after both it and Giorno getting absorbed and becoming brainwashed to fight for Asriel, but doesn't matter), and doing a true reset.

not before ger says frig you zero time

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He can't. Maybe the Soul absorption at the beginning, but the reset wouldn't be.

DT nulls other time altering, and GER is about undoing action. Here the actions wouldn't be there to undo.

 

[Zel97]

Time Erased in mechanics is nothing like what the act of time not existing is. Time Erasure is contrived and complicated as all hell, but it still follows logic and casuality.

Wth are you talking about dude ? What KC does is erase time pls i hope i misread or misinterpreted what u said but if what ur saying is KC isnt a time erasure ability then oh boi chariot is ganna smack with an essay if he finds out about this thread . Causality also gets messed up whenever KC erases time thats diavolo's whole shtick. It erases time,causality manip is just a by product of time erasure. He also messes with fate via time erase

 

[Planck69]

Wow. Some people here really overestimating GER. Nevermind how DT trumps willpower manip any day of the week but people actually seem to think that the stand is overcoming the timeline being erased and everything in it. At best this is inconclusive but what most likely happens is GER being passively paralysed and absorbed by Asriel.