Asgardian Revision Part 1 (Marvel Comics)

[Antvasima]

It may be supernatural willpower, but the evidence is insufficient.

 

[The_Impress]

It does

Doesn't, it's listed as a legitimate overtime Reality Warping feat. Just because it doesn't fit your double standard narrative doesn't mean it matters

You countered my point by what? Referencing an Attack Potency Feat?

Why does Attack Potency not count? Because it catches your BS regarding this or some shit? If we're discounting stats we very well should be discounting random ass P&As with NO potencies discussed, VERY WELL contradicted considering another character with "disease resist", Spider-Man, can get sick just fine, and could just be stated in the guidebooks

Naruto, The DCEU, Invincible I believe and many more

Do any of them have hundreds of thousands of issues? Do any of them have every opportunity they could possibly be given by God to show P&As and statements yet they don't?

Most of these abilities you deem wankish would barely influence their battles and would literally just be there as an indexing thing

...Diseasehax resist is REALLY relevant against alotta characters? Hell you're basically immune to a **** ton of supplementary abilities like Radiation Manipulation and Biological Manipulation by having it

In some cases they’re simply explanations for how powers work and again, we’ve decided the guidebooks can’t Be used for scaling since they’re so often contradicted and I’ve seen nothing saying we can’t use them for abilities

I am saying it right here and now that you're trying to find loopholes in the statement to further P&A wank

If I’m wrong please correct me and if not, feel free to make a revision

I can very well not make a revision if my point is made right here and now, all the verse supporters are here to check it.

In fact, straight up, what about P&A not listed in the guidebooks? If you're willing to take Guidebook's word on what powers they have, them not being listed there implies Marvel may as well have retconned them, then why shouldn't WE remove them, huh?

 

[Antvasima]

Impress, as usual you are most likely factually correct, but you also need to make an effort to be polite and avoid any personal accusations.

 

[Hellbeast]

Doesn't, it's listed as a legitimate overtime Reality Warping feat. Just because it doesn't fit your double standard narrative doesn't mean it matters

It doesn’t because we don’t use actual AP feats which this is

Why does Attack Potency not count? Because it catches your BS regarding this or some shit? If we're discounting stats we very well should be discounting random ass P&As with NO potencies discussed, VERY WELL contradicted considering another character with "disease resist", Spider-Man, can get sick just fine, and could just be stated in the guidebooks

Because we’ve had several threads finding the guidebooks power ratings blatantly and categorically inconsistent with nothing implying the powers they raise are

If you have an issue make a CRT dude, that’s how it’s works

Do any of them have hundreds of thousands of issues? Do any of them have every opportunity they could possibly be given by God to show P&As and statements yet they don't?

...Diseasehax resist is REALLY relevant against alotta characters? Hell you're basically immune to a **** ton of supplementary abilities like Radiation Manipulation and Biological Manipulation by having it

I have never once seen someone get Resistance to biological manipulation because they resist diseases

I am saying it right here and now that you're trying to find loopholes in the statement to further P&A wank

Nice appeal to motive, very mature
I really don’t care about Marvel Scaling because it’s too inconsistent

I can very well not make a revision if my point is made right here and now, all the verse supporters are here to check it.

You kind of can because it’s a separate situation that would have much larger implications for other verses

I don’t get to just make a huge revision without a crt on a mostly unrelated thread so why do you

Thems the rules, follow em

In fact, straight up, what about P&A not listed in the guidebooks? If you're willing to take Guidebook's word on what powers they have, them not being listed there implies Marvel may as well have retconned them, then why shouldn't WE remove them, huh?

Because that’s stupid; if they’re shown in the works they happen.
This is a strawman and you know it because no one’s saying the guidebooks depictions are >> the comics

I’d also ask if you can not make personal accusations here because really it’s uncalled for

 

[Hellbeast]

Also just did a quick search, some of the abilities you claim are just “wank” actually appear in Thor’s respect thread

 

[Tllmbrg]

Y’know you should’ve just led with those scans instead of using a guidebook yes?

 

[Hellbeast]

Does this somehow lessen my above point Tlm?

Don’t speak as if I don’t know what I’m doing

 

[Tllmbrg]

Does this somehow lessen my above point Tlm?

No, but it does make me wonder why you chose to lead with a guidebook instead of actual feats instead

 

[Hellbeast]

No, but it does make me wonder why you chose to lead with a guidebook instead of actual feats instead

Because I think the guidebooks being unusable is bs, plain and simple

 

[Antvasima]

Can you find direct scan links and preferably issue references for the disease resistance occasions please?

Also, Impress is a she, not a he.

 

[Hellbeast]

Also, Impress is a she, not a he.

I know, dude was intended to be neutral

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, is somebody who knows how to edit properly willing to apply what has been accepted above?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

BUMP?

 

[Antvasima]

Can you find direct scan links and preferably issue references for the disease resistance occasions please?

Anyway, is somebody who knows how to edit properly willing to apply what has been accepted above?

Also, what do we still need to evaluate here?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

BUMP

 

[Antvasima]

@ElixirBlue @Setsuna_tenma @Ehnkr2beboh @The_Impress @Tllmbrg @Confluctor @LordTracer @Eficiente @Firestorm808 @Hellbeast

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Sorry, what's currently in contention? I haven't been up to date on this thread for a while.

 

[Antvasima]

Most of this seems fine, but you should preferably add source references to the profile pages when you add it.

Resistance to time stop is a loophole in Jormungand's ability against mythical beings, so it should not be granted to all Asgardians or otherwise.

The Destroyer also grew to 2000 feet mainly due to Odin's power. It is not an inherent ability.

Regular Thor and The Destroyer harming Hela at times is mostly due to that she is extremely inconsistent in her portrayals. Scaling them from her seems very unreliable.

So except for the above and that handbooks seem to not be allowed for powers either, in this case resistance to disease, it seems like this has largely been accepted.

I think this is what needs to be done.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Sorry, what's currently in contention? I haven't been up to date on this thread for a while.

started a dispute over the use of GuideBooks (about things that are almost nothing or supporting evidence), then almost nothing happen

 

[Antvasima]

However, there was some controversy regarding whether we should use the handbooks as a basis for resistance to disease.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

I think that specific page for Odin's abilities is pretty off. Like, let's look at this specific line:

So, according to this guide, Odin cannot teleport normally, read thoughts, travel through time or move worlds. And on Odin's page, it says he can Time Travel, Teleport, Manipulate Minds and can pull planets across the Universe. So this page here seems pretty contradictory towards a lot of his page.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I think that specific page for Odin's abilities is pretty off. Like, let's look at this specific line:

So, according to this guide, Odin cannot teleport normally, read thoughts, travel through time or move worlds. And on Odin's page, it says he can Time Travel, Teleport, Manipulate Minds and can pull planets across the Universe. So this page here seems pretty contradictory towards a lot of his page.

well, this is a problem, maybe i should completely remove the Handbook from the list



Also replasing, the scan of Odin-Force's declaration of Creation, here odin Recreates Asgard in Fear itself #2

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, the handbooks rather consistently severely downplayed the characters rather than make a serious effort, as we are doing.

 

[Eficiente]

maybe Magic and limited Holy Manipulation: It's an armor enchanted by Odin like Mjolnir in also to being able to use the hammer even when his soul is Unworthy-Journey into Mystery #118

That's not what the image shows.

Regeneration (Low-High): Armor regenerates when it finds a new host-Thor Vol 1 #381

Ok but less pages for it would be good.

Blessed: Each Skyfather gave part of his divinity to the armor-Thor Vol 1 #300

That doesn't seem to be what it says?

Large size (Type 2; Full power destroyer has a size similar to a Celestial)- Thor vol 1 300

Can't see the link.

Range: Interdimensional or low Multiverse (his energy rays can cross entire dimensions)

I don't agree with it but it's the former, the other powers before this were fine to me and I'll see the rest later.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

That's not what the image shows.

fair

Ok but less pages for it would be good.

ok

That doesn't seem to be what it says?

why do you say it? It is said that when Odin created it, the other Gods gave him part of their divinity, if that is not Blessed I do not know what it can be.

Can't see the link.

link

I don't agree with it but it's the former, the other powers before this were fine to me and I'll see the rest later.

then what would it be? If being able to attack from another dimension is not range, what could it be?


also add a few extra things at the end.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to apply what has been accepted here?

 

[Eficiente]

Large size (type 2)-Surtur's height is 1000 ′ (304.8 m) according to Marvel Database Wiki

Sorry but we can't use that.

Loki


LS: Class Multi-Galactic(the universe is being destroyed by entropy, so it got smaller but still contains super-clusters), Black Hole Creation/manipulation, Deconstruction, Omnipresent(only space), Body control-Galaxies, stars, nebulae, black holes are part of Gorr now and he can use it in an offensive way, Gorr stomach a black hole can deconstruct matter at the molecular level-King Thor issue 4

It's Nigh-Omnipresense when it's only something like space.

Gorr saga definition of universe
Does this mean that Universe, Creation, and Cosmos were used as a substitute for Multiverse in King Thor storyline?

According to Jason Aaron, he was using other words as alternatives to Multiverse, though this is just an author statement so take it with a grain of salt.

Only in that "Gorr fused with the universe" part.

Purification (type 3): Can remove petrification on a planetary level-Fear itself vol 1 #7.3

Which part says it's on a planetary level?

The rest is good.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

ok

Which part says it's on a planetary level?

oof i'm sorry i don't even know why i said planetary

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Sorry but we can't use that.

Thor vol 1. 350 and 352, Surtur shows that he is comparable to medium-sized buildings, so he is at least Type 1 large size

 

[Antvasima]

Well, his official height according to the Marvel handbooks is roughly 1000 feet, but different artists will obviously draw him at different sizes anyway.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to apply what has been accepted here?

Anyway...

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Is somebody willing to apply what has been accepted here?

bump?

 

[Antvasima]

@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Tllmbrg @Elizio33 @LordTracer @The_Impress @Confluctor

We would appreciate help with applying the results here.

 

[Confluctor]

I could probably do it in the weekend.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. Please write a list of which pages that you need unlocked.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Thor
Odin
Surtur
The Destroyer
Jormungand
Gorr

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. Tell me here when I should unlock them.

 

[Confluctor]

Will do when I am ready

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks again.