Asgardian Revision Part 1 (Marvel Comics)

[Oliver_de_jesus]

This is not about changing the tier of the characters, just adding hax and separating some profiles, this thread will only cover the Nordic pantheon, although i will include Gorr

Note:Although some are scans of the universe 3515, this is an alternative timeline of the universe 616 direct where thor becomes a bad leader after an accident, also in the end thor (3515) gave his memories to young thor for what he should be able to do the same

Odin
I'll be honest, Odin's profile is bad
remove/change things to improve the quality of the page:

"ability to cross universes (and take other things with him, including the entirety of Asgard, or the entire population of Earth)"
remove this and put it as BFR


"able to grant power and Immortality to others and create empowered objects (such as arrows that never miss their targets)"
remove this and put it as Power Bestowal


Power Bestowal: (The Odin's enchantmenton Mjolnir made immune/resistant to the Enchantress's magic, gave Jane immortality and divine power, gave Seidring all Odinpower)

the first is from Journey Into Mystery (1952) issue 103, second is Thor (1966) issue 136 and the third is Thor (1966) issue 126

Dimensional BFR and Time stop: (Here)-Journey into Mystery Vol 1 #104

BFR to another part of the universe: here-Thor 1966 #128

"(such as arrows that never miss their targets)"-someone has the scans of this?

new-powers::
Soul manipulation: Release Thor's soul from the Destroyer armor-Thor (1966) #266

Flight: self-explain

Longevity: self-explain

Cosmic Senses: here-Journey into Mystery Vol 1 #100

Size Masnipulation: When he fought Doom he grew in size-Fantastic four: World's greatest comic Magazine #11

Power Nullification: here and Transform thor into Donald Blake-Thor (1966) #148 and 291

Stats Reduction: cut thor's power in half-Journey into Mystery #101

Energy/stamine absorption: here-Journey Into Mystery (1952) issue 104

Forcefields creation: here-Journey Into Mystery (1952) issue 104

Fire manipulation-Odin imprisoned The Storm Giant, Skagg in a circle of fire-Journey Into Mystery (1952) issue 104

Animal and Elemental Manipulation(Earth/water, Plant, fire, Lightnings and ice): Can control Lightnings, Fire, Odin command the bed of sea to soften beneath the feet of skaag, one of his brothers could generate ice, Create plants and order the Hawk to protect Balder-Journey into Mystery #89, 104, Thor(1966) #349 and Journey into Mystery #106

Weather Manipulation: Here-Journey into Mystery #108

Electromagnetism Manipulation: Drawing on all the electromagnetic particles of the cosmos to imprison Surtur.

Biological manipulation: here-Thor (1966) #191

Fusionism: He could merge with his brothers-Thor(1966) #349

Summonig: Odin Summons Beta Ray Bill-Thor(1966) #349

Astral projection: After Loki magnetically stole Thor's hammer, Odin heard his son's prayer and appeared as an astral form and Here.-Journey into Mystery #91 and 110

Self-Sustenance (Type 1)-Odin fought Galactus in Space-Mighty Thor #5

Pocket Reality/Dimension manipulation: Created a dimension for Donald Blake to live in when he swaps places with Thor-Thor (2020) vol 6 #9

Resistance to Extreme Cold and Cosmic radiaton: Odin can survive in the vacuum of space without any aid

resistence to Power Nullification: Scale to Odinforce Thor

Resistence to Time stop: He should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins-Thor Volume 1 Issue 379

Odin uses the supreme scepter to channel his power as we all know, with it demonstrated the following-Thor Vol 1 300 (1966)

Trasmutation-transmutes the Ring Halves to create his sword-Thor Vol 1 300 (1966)

Resurrection -Odin resurrected Hela-Thor (1966) #275

ESP-Locates Pluto-Thor (1966) #223



also in Odin's Classification, he need Frost Giant/Aesir hybrid(his mother was a Frost Giant)

Thor
Base
New powers

He should also have transformation because he could previously transform into Donald Blake but this is more "formerly transformation"

Dimensional Storage: here- Thor (1966) #407

Telepathy: Even as Donald Blake, Thor could contact Odin-Journey into Mystery #89

possibly resistence to Power Nullification: he could generate a Storm on the black planet that annulled the powers of the Thunder Goddesses(It was decided that this was a feat of weather manipulation.)-Thor- God of Thunder #8

Enhanced Senses: can hear what happens light years away-Thor- God of Thunder #9

Minor resistence to Illusions Creation: can detect a Magic illusion-Deadpool Team-Up (2010) Issue #887

Resistence to Statistics Reduction: Loki created and uses a potion to reduce his brother's power, but Thor was unaffected.-Journey into Mystery #114

resistence to acid: here-Journey into Mystery #98

resistence to Possession?: Thor mentions that he had full control over the destroyer and he simply tricked Hela into healing his body.-thor vol 1 382

Odin force/Old King Thor
Enhanced Matter Manipulation: Create Food, and rebuild the moon at the Molecular level -Thor Vol 2 #61 and 57

Fusionism: Merges Jake Olson with his past self.-Thor Vol 2 #79

Time Stop: here-Thor Vol 2 #79

resistence to Power Nullification: It was mentioned that there is no one on earth capable of nullifying the Odin force, Balder believed that dr. strange could not do it, and the stranger himself confirms this indirectly when it is mentioned that no one on earth can turn off the odin force, having to use the power of the other pantheons to do it-Thor vol 2 #73

Rune King Thor
Cosmic Awareness and Precognition-after losing his sight, Thor can see the past of all things, noticing the Cycle of Ragnarok, see the present, future, every aspect of reality, from quantum level to cosmic structures or absolute nothingness and his crows contains all the thoughts and memories of all the beings in Yggdrasil-Avengers disassembled issue #83 and #84

Forcefields and ESP: Thor blocked a hit of Mangog and could feel his magic levels-Avengers disassembled issue #84

Mjolnir

Resistence To Telekinesis-Sandu's mental/telekinetic power couldn't move Thor's hammer-Journey into Mystery #91

Standard Odin force powers
Basically powers that are an extension of the Odin/Thor-force

Reality warping, Creation and Pocket Reality manipulation: A manifestation of the Odin force mentions to Thor that he can create Stars and Worlds, also The manifestation creates a pocket dimension to explain it to Thor-Thor (1998) issue 60

Resurrection -Old king Thor Brought Thor back from the dead-Thor God of Thunder issue 11

Existence Erasure: Thor mentions that the odin force allows him to erase people from existence, but Desak is protected, and it is proven to be true.-Thor Vol 2 #77 and 78

Also Ulik mentions that Odin could erase from existence with a single blink -Thor Vol 2 #76

Age manipulation- can extend Jane's life-Thor vol. 5 issue 1

Paralysis: Seidring with the power of Odin paralyzed Balder-Thor (1966) issue 127

Space manipulation: Seidring control the fabric of space-Thor (1966) issue 127
The Destroyer
Like the All-Father, the armor lacks scans and as it is structured its P&A is poor.

remove/change things to improve the quality of the page:

Matter Manipulation, Matter disintegration, Dimensional travel and manipulation, Becomes stronger every time it is activated, Can corrupt the spirits of those who use it, Immune to nearly all physical forms of attack, Can kill immortal beings.

Matter Manipulation and Transmutation(Sub-Atomic level; Can transmute floor molecules to create diamond, Thor declares that an explosion from the Destroyer's hands could transmute and killing him in the process, can launch Kzippa particles that annihilate his opponent)-Journey into Mystery #118 and Thor vol. 1 266

Accelerated Development (Type: Other; Becomes stronger every time it is activated)-Thor (1966) issue 224

Dimensional Travel: Here-Thor Vol 1 #382

possesion: Sif was convinced to use the Armor, she did not want to fight Thor but the Armor is taking control of her actions and is consuming her.-Thor Vol 1 #151

Desconstruction: has a Molecular Disruptor and Via Visor Beam Aka Desitegration Total-Thor Vol 1 #381 and 300

Although it is true that the destroyer has been called indestructible and invulnerable, from my point of view that is that it is far above its enemies I mean, the destroyer must be like 3 or 5 times the strength of thor

When was it said that The Destroyer could kill an immortal?

New powers and Others:

Resistence to Desconstruction/matter manipulation: can withstand his own Disintegration Beams-Thor Vol 1 #381

maybe Magic and limited Holy Manipulation: It's an armor enchanted by Odin like Mjolnir in also to being able to use the hammer even when his soul is Unworthy-Journey into Mystery #118

Regeneration (Low-High): Armor regenerates when it finds a new host-Thor Vol 1 #381

Radiantive Manipulation: can launch sub-nuclear energy attacks, has Nuclear Ripsaws and -Thor Vol 1 #382 and #381

Anti-Matter manipulation: Anti-matter particles beams-Thor Vol 1 #381

Durability Negation via Visor Beam

Blessed: Each Skyfather gave part of his divinity to the armor-Thor Vol 1 #300

Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm Spirit-Selves)-Thor Vol 1 #382

Magnetism Manipulation: Use his Magnetism control against thor-Journey into Mystery #118

Density Manipulation: Before Thor was transmuted, he became intangible through the change of Density , The wielder of the destroyer states that he only needs to reverse the change of density to make Thor tangible (although he escaped before the attack)-Journey into Mystery #119

Sealing and Petrification: Seal hela and petrify some characters-Thor Vol 1 #438

Large size (Type 2; Full power destroyer has a size similar to a Celestial)- Thor vol 1 300

Range: Interdimensional or low Multiverse (his energy rays can cross entire dimensions)

Inorganic Physiology (type 2) is a Robot/magic Armor

The destroyer should have a Key: Tier 4-B, far Higher/Tier At least 4-B, possibly 2-C or 2-A with Thor Soul key and all Mjolnir and thor resistence.

since he could seriously damage Hela(Thor hit so hard that he temporarily rendered her legs useless) and herself did not believe she was capable of defeating Thor, besides that his crystals cannot be destroyed by her-Thor Vol 1 #382


Also in the Prey Saga, The Destroyer with Thor's Soul Overpowered Donald Blake, who was holding Mjolnir for a moment and possessed the power of at least 2 different thors (Roger Norvell(Off-Panel) and Beta Ray Bill), Strange's Asgardian magic that he used against Loki, some power of Odin and the power of Midgard Serpent-Thor 2020 from #9 to #14

Jormungand

Power bestowal: he gave some of his power to Donald Blake-Thor 2020 from #9 to #14

Surtur

Resistence to Time stop: He should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins-Thor Volume 1 Issue 379

Large size (type 2)-Surtur's height is 1000 ′ (304.8 m) according to Marvel Database Wiki

Resistance to heat and magma (Surtur can swim in a lava river)-Thor(1966) #349

Loki

Resistence to Time stop: He should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins(Loki is a Pure Frost giant)-Thor Volume 1 Issue 379
Hela

Resistence to Time stop: She should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins(She is Half-Frost Gigant)-Thor Volume 1 Issue 379


Bor
Resistence to Time stop: he should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins (he is Half-Frost Gigant)

Cul
Resistence to Time stop: he should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins (he is 75%-Frost Gigant)

Gorr, The God Butcher/All-Black the Necrosword

Black Planet manipulation-This should be added to his Notable Techniques section

The entire planet of Gorr is an extension of All-Black-Thor- God of Thunder #9

within which Gorr can nullify Divine powers-Thor- God of Thunder #8

opened a gap in the earth-Thor- God of Thunder #10

New Key-Necroverse
upgrade Gorr range to universal with Absorption

fusionism/absorption: After losing his physical form (again), Gorr merges with the All-black, The necrosword had absorbed almost the entire universe, therefore Gorr is basically the remains of the universe-King Thor Issue 3

LS: Class Multi-Galactic(the universe is being destroyed by entropy, so it got smaller but still contains super-clusters), Black Hole Creation/manipulation, Deconstruction, Omnipresent(only space), Body control-Galaxies, stars, nebulae, black holes are part of Gorr now and he can use it in an offensive way, Gorr stomach a black hole can deconstruct matter at the molecular level-King Thor issue 4

Gorr saga definition of universe
Does this mean that Universe, Creation, and Cosmos were used as a substitute for Multiverse in King Thor storyline?

According to Jason Aaron, he was using other words as alternatives to Multiverse, though this is just an author statement so take it with a grain of salt.

New Things

Odin
Creation: Create New version of Asgard -Fear itself vol 1 #2

More proof of his Power null: nullifying Mephisto's contract -Thunderstike #15 and Odin removed his enchantment from Mjolnir -Fear itself 1

More proof of his Cosmic Senses and Metal/Technology manipulation: here-Fear itself vol 1 #7.3

More BFR: Banish the Avengers from Space Asgard to Earth and Banish Asgardians from Asgard space-Fear itself vol 1 #6 and 7. 2

Dimensional travel: can Travel to Asgard Space-Fear itself vol 1 #6 and 7. 2

Purification (type 3): Can remove petrification on a planetary level-Fear itself vol 1 #7.3

 

[ElixirBlue]

Big CRT

I agree on making improvements

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Disagree with universal lifting class for gorr. The universe was already dying with entropy and such was smaller

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Disagree with universal lifting class for gorr. The universe was already dying with entropy and such was smaller

How about Multi-Galactic since Gorr mentions that super-clusters are part of Him?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

How about Multi-Galactic since Gorr mentions that super-clusters are part of Him?

its fine

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Nice work! I agree with pretty much everything (though I don't really have enough knowledge on powers and abilities to see any holes), so I don't have much to add.

-I'm extremely surprised Odin doesn't already have power nullification on his profile, considering him nullifying Surtur's flames is such an important part of his tiering. That, as well as him nullifying Mephisto's contract (Thunderstike #15), can be added to the feats you already have proposed for power null.
-Size manipulation is shown off again in JiM #512, though that seems pretty uncontroversial as is.
-The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Deluxe-Edition #13 confirms Surtur's size, so you don't need to use the Marvel database for that.
-According to Jason Aaron, he was using other words as alternatives to Multiverse, though this is just an author statement so take it with a grain of salt.

Odin should also probably have some form of space-time manipulation and creation stuff on his profile, so I'll look for those scans.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

thanks for the extra info

I guess Gorr is 2-A in he last form?(this would improve All-Black's range)

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

thanks for the extra info

I guess Gorr is 2-A in he last form?(this would improve All-Black's range)

Doesn't he already have "possibly 2-A"? Since it relies on a website and author statement, I don't think it can give a definitive 2-A, but it could probably be added to his justification. Since it's already "possibly" we might want to change it to "likely", but I'm not sure.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Well I think this would be better as a support feat, also now that I realize it, shouldn't Gorr and All-Black have the same resistence? I mean, All-Black is literally his second skin


in addition to resistence to Extreme Cold and Cosmic radiaton via survive in space (in addition to surviving in a star)

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @LordTracer @Tllmbrg

 

[Tllmbrg]

Eh this all seems fine, outside a few things

Doesn’t Jormungand‘s time stop not work on all mystical creatures thus making it more a weakness of his rather then a resistance for the rest, at the very least wouldn’t we need to extend this way further outside Asgardians resistance wise?

Stuff that rely on Guidebooks as evidence I’ll outright reject due to those being highly unreliable, so Thor’s corruption resistance is a no although for Hela isn’t she a Goddess of Death?
Surely she’d have a feat or statement outside the guidebook in terms handling diseases

Besides this I’m good with this

 

[Confluctor]

Pocket manipulation: Created a dimension for Donald Blake to live in

I think both Pocket dimension manipulation and pocket reality manipulation can apply here

Resistence to Time stop

A bit unsure about this too.

But Odin is looking solid now.

possibly resistence to Power Nullification

I will look into this one for Thor in a bit. Can't see it too well. But the rest looks good.

Resistence To Telekinesi

Err... This might be just because they are weak. Death Seed Sentry was able to stop his hammer mid air and dropped it to the ground.

life manipulation

Age manipulation applies too.

Durability Negation via Visor Beam

Scan for this?

Resistence to Time stop: He should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to

Still a bit unsure about time stop resistance

The rest seems really good tho. Good job on fixing these profiles.

 

[Confluctor]

Guidebooks as evidence

I mean they should be fine as long as they aren't contradicted in canon comic.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I mean they should be fine as long as they aren't contradicted in canon comic.

As far as I'm aware we don't use them for anything, plus we can't just decide to just take the parts that fit us from the Guidebooks since that'd be cherrypicking imo
You either use it all or none

 

[Confluctor]

I think it should be evaluated case by case basis.

 

[Confluctor]

possibly resistence to Power Nullification: he could generate a Storm on the black planet that annulled the powers of the Thunder Goddesses-Thor- God of Thunder #8

From the scans, I would say its limited resistance to Power Null. Not sure tho.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

The GuideBooks are supporting evidence, most of it is confirmed (Thor did not lose control of the destroyer), The powers of the destroyer that appear in the Guidebooks also appear in the comics (Magnetism, energy beam, transmutation, the increase of size, ect) The only things that are in the GuideBooks but still accepted in profiles like thor and loki is that All Asgardians are immune to human disease.

 

[Antvasima]

Most of this seems fine, but you should preferably add source references to the profile pages when you add it.

Resistance to time stop is a loophole in Jormungand's ability against mythical beings, so it should not be granted to all Asgardians or otherwise.

The Destroyer also grew to 2000 feet mainly due to Odin's power. It is not an inherent ability.

Regular Thor and The Destroyer harming Hela at times is mostly due to that she is extremely inconsistent in her portrayals. Scaling them from her seems very unreliable.

 

[LordTracer]

Resistence to Time stop: He should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins-Thor Volume 1 Issue 379

Like Tllmbrg said, this should just be a weakness of Jormungandr’s time stop, not a resistance for every magical character.

Resistence To Telekinesis-Sandu's mental/telekinetic power couldn't move Thor's hammer-Journey into Mystery #91

Both Sentry and Thanos have stopped Mjølnir with telekinesis before iirc, so I dunno about this one.

Reality warping, Creation and Pocket Reality manipulation: A manifestation of the Odin force mentions to Thor that he can create Stars and Worlds, also The manifestation creates a pocket dimension to explain it to Thor-Thor (1998) issue 60

I don’t really see why this would be reality warping. Creation and pocket dimension manip already covers it.

Durability Negation via Visor Beam

This needs scans.

Intangibility Negation and Density Manipulation: Before Thor was transmuted, he became intangible through the change of Density , The wielder of the destroyer states that he only needs to reverse the change of density to make Thor tangible (although he escaped before the attack)-Journey into Mystery #119

Yes to Density Manip, no to Intangibility Negation, all he says is that he needs to change the density of his attacks. He doesn’t say that it’d make Thor tangible again.

The destroyer should have a Key: Tier 4-B, far Higher/Tier At least 4-B, possibly 2-C or 2-A with Thor Soul key and all Mjolnir and thor resistence.

since he could seriously damage Hela(Thor hit so hard that he temporarily rendered her legs useless) and herself did not believe she was capable of defeating Thor, besides that his crystals cannot be destroyed by her-Thor Vol 1 #382

I am extremely opposed to the idea of scaling people (aside from other Hell Lords) to Hela, she’s pretty inconsistent (and honestly, she should have a tier similar to Mephisto, with separation for her power in and out of her realm).

Guidebook stuff is acceptable if there’s evidence from the comics supporting it. Everything else is fine.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Most of this seems fine, but you should preferably add source references to the profile pages when you add it.

Resistance to time stop is a loophole in Jormungand's ability against mythical beings, so it should not be granted to all Asgardians or otherwise.

Ok

The Destroyer also grew to 2000 feet mainly due to Odin's power. It is not an inherent ability.

When I said full power destroyer I was referring to the last key that he has aka Odin's Soul + Odinsword + Asgard's Life Force, which grew in size being a close in size to a celestial

Regular Thor and The Destroyer harming Hela at times is mostly due to that she is extremely inconsistent in her portrayals. Scaling them from her seems very unreliable.

I am extremely opposed to the idea of scaling people (aside from other Hell Lords) to Hela, she’s pretty inconsistent (and honestly, she should have a tier similar to Mephisto, with separation for her power in and out of her realm)

Hela is still much stronger than Thor, that's why I said 4-B probably far higher

 

[Antvasima]

When I said full power destroyer I was referring to the last key that he has aka Odin's Soul + Odinsword + Asgard's Life Force, which grew in size being a close in size to a celestial

Okay. That seems fine then.

Hela is still much stronger than Thor, that's why I said 4-B probably far higher

Okay, but regular Thor also beat her up once during the Walt Simonson run, as did the Thor-inhabited Destroyer, so the same situation applies.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Okay, but regular Thor also beat her up once during the Walt Simonson run, as did the Thor-inhabited Destroyer, so the same situation applies.

Well, I think this is fine after reading the number (Thor vol 1 354), although I think if he not have another Key, maybe we can add to Destroyer's optional equipment the thor's hammer.

This needs scans

Vision Beam is a Disintegration Beam

Err... This might be just because they are weak. Death Seed Sentry was able to stop his hammer mid air and dropped it to the ground.

Fair

I don’t really see why this would be reality warping. Creation and pocket dimension manip already covers it

Well the Odin force said it as if it were RW too but I have no problems that it is Creation and Pocket Reality manipulation

 

[Eficiente]

Pocket manipulation: Created a dimension for Donald Blake to live in when he swaps places with Thor-Thor (2020) vol 6 #9

I don't see evidence of it there.

Resistence to Time stop: He should be able to resist Jormungand's time stop due to its mystical origins-Thor Volume 1 Issue 379

Seems to be a gimmick of the event that was happening, "only mystical creatures move in the time of the begging where all things mortal cease their endless spinning!" seems to be a specific case with stopped time where they would be able to more and other Asgardians have been stopped in time before.

possibly resistence to Power Nullification: he could generate a Storm on the black planet that annulled the powers of the Thunder Goddesses-Thor- God of Thunder #8

It doesn't say that the planet nulled their powers, but that it was impossible due to it being too hard, it makes sense for Thor to be able to do it when about to die. You can add the feat in his control over weather.

possibly resistence to Illusions Creation: can detect a Magic illusion-Deadpool Team-Up (2010) Issue #887

Yes, as minor.

Reality warping, Creation and Pocket Reality manipulation: A manifestation of the Odin force mentions to Thor that he can create Stars and Worlds, also The manifestation creates a pocket dimension to explain it to Thor-Thor (1998) issue 60

It's easier to believe the setting was in Thor's mind. We don't really know if it said that he can create worlds and stars, maybe they just grew in size to have those worlds around, or moved them near, and it can also be poetic to show the big potential of what he can do with the Odin force.

Corruption (Type 3): Sif was convinced to use the Armor, she did not want to fight Thor but the Armor is taking control of her actions and is consuming her.-Thor Vol 1 #151

I don't think there's any power going on there? You can control the armor but after a while it controls itself. It's its body so why would it corrupt others to not let them have control? This would remove the Resistance to Corruption pointed out for Odin and Thor.

I guess you could argue it's Resistance to Possession if you can control the body and after a while it controls itself but idk.

Everything before is good, the rest I will see later. Also all links that aren't in Imgur should be moved into that page, as they could die in the future.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I don't see evidence of it there.

Oof, i confused the links, here

Seems to be a gimmick of the event that was happening, "only mystical creatures move in the time of the begging where all things mortal cease their endless spinning!" seems to be a specific case with stopped time where they would be able to more and other Asgardians have been stopped in time before.

Ok

It doesn't say that the planet nulled their powers, but that it was impossible due to it being too hard, it makes sense for Thor to be able to do it when about to die. You can add the feat in his control over weather.

Ok

Yes, as minor.

Nice

It's easier to believe the setting was in Thor's mind. We don't really know if it said that he can create worlds and stars, maybe they just grew in size to have those worlds around, or moved them near, and it can also be poetic to show the big potential of what he can do with the Odin force.

Mmmmmmmmm I understand

I don't think there's any power going on there? You can control the armor but after a while it controls itself. It's its body so why would it corrupt others to not let them have control? This would remove the Resistance to Corruption pointed out for Odin and Thor.

I guess you could argue it's Resistance to Possession if you can control the body and after a while it controls itself but idk.

guess it can be change it as possession

Everything before is good, the rest I will see later. Also all links that aren't in Imgur should be moved into that page, as they could die in the future.

Cool

 

[Tllmbrg]

Btw for this revision I found something to add for Thor
Acasuality Type 2, shown here - Avengers Volume 5 Issue 2

Maybe it's not that but this's the closest power I can think of

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Btw for this revision I found something to add for Thor
Acasuality Type 2, shown here - Avengers Volume 5 Issue 2

Maybe it's not that but this's the closest power I can think of

That's not acausality.Its just thor resisting deconstruction

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Btw for this revision I found something to add for Thor
Acasuality Type 2, shown here - Avengers Volume 5 Issue 2

Maybe it's not that but this's the closest power I can think of

Thor's timeline is still altered by something, his destiny was to become the Old King Thor as explained by the Black Winter but something is changing him (Thanos)

so Thor are still affected by the change of time.

but I don't know what power or resistance that would be

 

[Firestorm808]

It will take some time to go through the list.

 

[Hellbeast]

As far as I'm aware we don't use them for anything, plus we can't just decide to just take the parts that fit us from the Guidebooks since that'd be cherrypicking imo
You either use it all or none

Iirc we don't use them for scaling; abilities are fair game

 

[The_Impress]

Iirc we don't use them for scaling; abilities are fair game

Handbooks give Mojo Low 2-C Environmental Destruction...

Abilities aren't fair game, either show them in the comics or don't show them at all

 

[Hellbeast]

Handbooks give Mojo Low 2-C Environmental Destruction...

That comes down to my above comment on Tier it

Abilities aren't fair game, either show them in the comics or don't show them at all

We’ve blatantly used guidebook scans for other verse’s powers and abilities and a since these wouldn’t actually impact the tiering I’d question why we can’t use them here outside of “Marvel Powerscaling Bad”

 

[The_Impress]

That comes down to my above comment on Tier it

It really doesn't tbh

We’ve blatantly used guidebook scans for other verse’s powers and abilities

Which ones, I'll get those removed too

and a since these wouldn’t actually impact the tiering I’d question why we can’t use them here outside of “Marvel Powerscaling Bad

P&A wank is FAR more relevant for vs. debating than tier wank, we're a VERSUS DEBATING indexing site, it's wankish to list powers they've just never shown once

 

[Confluctor]

I can understand that given Destroyer corruption is pretty big deal, but being immune to earthly disease... that's a pretty low tier ability to have. And I have never come across a story where Thor or his like have been affected by earthly diseases.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Btw for this revision I found something to add for Thor
Acasuality Type 2, shown here - Avengers Volume 5 Issue 2

Maybe it's not that but this's the closest power I can think of

We should decide what this is

 

[Tllmbrg]

I can understand that given Destroyer corruption is pretty big deal, but being immune to earthly disease... that's a pretty low tier ability to have. And I have never come across a story where Thor or his like have been affected by earthly diseases.

Okay and?
Is there anything to support it outside that

 

[Confluctor]

the fact that they haven't gotten ill. Unless you have scans of them getting ill, then sure

 

[Hellbeast]

It really doesn't tbh

It does

You countered my point by what? Referencing an Attack Potency Feat?

Which ones, I'll get those removed too

Naruto, The DCEU, Invincible I believe and many more

Will you nuke all of them?

P&A wank is FAR more relevant for vs. debating than tier wank, we're a VERSUS DEBATING indexing site, it's wankish to list powers they've just never shown once

Most of these abilities you deem wankish would barely influence their battles and would literally just be there as an indexing thing

In some cases they’re simply explanations for how powers work and again, we’ve decided the guidebooks can’t Be used for scaling since they’re so often contradicted and I’ve seen nothing saying we can’t use them for abilities

If I’m wrong please correct me and if not, feel free to make a revision

 

[LordTracer]

We’ve blatantly used guidebook scans for other verse’s powers and abilities

Other verses aren’t Marvel, and have different contexts than Marvel, so guidebooks being accepted for them doesn’t mean they automatically get accepted for Marvel as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Most of this seems fine, but you should preferably add source references to the profile pages when you add it.

Resistance to time stop is a loophole in Jormungand's ability against mythical beings, so it should not be granted to all Asgardians or otherwise.

The Destroyer also grew to 2000 feet mainly due to Odin's power. It is not an inherent ability.

Regular Thor and The Destroyer harming Hela at times is mostly due to that she is extremely inconsistent in her portrayals. Scaling them from her seems very unreliable.

So except for the above and that handbooks seem to not be allowed for powers either, in this case resistance to disease, it seems like this has largely been accepted.

It is best to wait for Firestorm808 though.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I will cross out the things not accepted(Resistence to Diseases and time stop, ect)


Also, then do we consider that those who can maintain their will on the destroyer armor is resistance to possession or maybe Supernatural will?