Arceus vs Solaris

[The_real_cal_howard]

I read someone's comment saying that Pokemon is not on Sonic's level. So I wanted to check. Solaris' Unknown will be set with Arceus' AP. Who wins? Both are utterly bloodlusted. Speed is equalized.


Supreme being in pokemon verse!


solaris final form

 

[Aparajita]

Mmm... leaning towards Arceus because of higher combat speed - Solaris is omnipresent through time, but only FTL+ combat speeds.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

This is speed stomp.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Equalized it.

 

[KazarianFahs]

Solaris is basically dialga,without the infinite speed, and some of palkia's powers,needless to say arceus is Significantly stronger than palkia,dialga and giratina combined,and time manipulation isn't gonna work on arceus,and arceus can delete the concept of time since he also created it from scratch anyway.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I think arceus due to basically transcending pokemon verse space, time, matter, and concepts of speed(ok speed was equalized) while Solaris warping ability is seems like still tied to time itself, and probaly due to arceus has more consistent stats, I think.

 

[Aparajita]

I think arceus due to basically transcending pokemon verse space, time, matter, and concepts of speed(ok speed was equalized) while Solaris warping ability is seems like still tied to time itself, and probaly due to arceus has more consistent stats, I think.

This. Pretty much from what i've seen, anything Solaris can do, Arecus can do it and probably better/easier.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Bump, because why the hell no.

 

[Cropfist]

Both have similar abilities but Solaris has 3 types of immortality so inconclusive for me.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[Sparky_"Dante"_Marky1234]

Unless this takes place in the Pokemon Universe, Solaris. He exists in the past, present and future. He is at least Universal via reality warping. Reality warping > Physical strength

 

[FictionalBlade101]

And thats impressive compared to Arceus how?

 

[LlamaGod1411]

@Sparky a weaker being, Dialga, exists in the past, present and the future.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

Also is it ever stated Solaris is a being like Dialga whos the concept and literal incarnation of time as a whole? There is a huge overwelming difference between having different versions of yourself throughout the past, present and future simutaneously and you BEING the past, present and future simutaneously.

 

[LlamaGod1411]

"There is a huge overwelming difference between having different versions of yourself throughout the past, present and future simutaneously and you BEING the past, present and future simutaneously."


There is?


And considering timelines, technically don't we all have different versions of ourselves in the Past, the present and the future?

 

[FictionalBlade101]

"There is a huge overwelming difference between having different versions of yourself throughout the past, present and future simutaneously and you BEING the past, present and future simutaneously."

There is?


And considering timelines, technically don't we all have different versions of ourselves in the Past, the present and the future?

There should be (well from my point of view at least). Take Dialga for example. Dialga doesnt just have temporal versions of itself through time, he IS time. BEING one with every timeline there is for being the literal incarnation of time. You can have different versions of yourself throughout time but it doesnt mean your one with the very universe, or existence itself, such as time is.

Yes we do, but like i mentioned above it doesnt mean that all of us are one with very time itself, which is far far more of a higher standing then just having different versions of yourself throughout time. You see what im saying cuz i think i might be explaining it strangely.

 

[LlamaGod1411]

Ah I get you.

Thanks.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

Ah I get you.
Thanks.

No problem.

 

[KazarianFahs]

The thing is dialga even tho bound by time,has endless manipulation of it,solaris even tho having almost as limiteless manipulation of time,arceus just doesn't care about time,space,or anything that we can comprehend,solaris has reality warping powers,but arceus isn't really going to be affected by solaris's reality warping because solaris is using existing concepts like time,to attack his opponents,whereas arceus,was there before time,he doesn't depend on time,but rather,time depends on arceus,arceus can simply delete the concept of time and solaris would technically die since he resides within time.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

The thing is dialga even tho bound by time,has endless manipulation of it,solaris even tho having almost as limiteless manipulation of time,arceus just doesn't care about time,space,or anything that we can comprehend,solaris has reality warping powers,but arceus isn't really going to be affected by solaris's reality warping because solaris is using existing concepts like time,to attack his opponents,whereas arceus,was there before time,he doesn't depend on time,but rather,time depends on arceus,arceus can simply delete the concept of time and solaris would technically die since he resides within time.

That isnt really needed honestly. Arceus created and also spanked Dialga without even trying so there isnt anything to imply Arceus cant just straight up one shot Solaris when, despite Solaris's temporal omnipresence, is meaningless before Arceus and his own omnipresence, as well as omnipresent range

 

[Coleworld12]

If Solaris is actual 2-B he stomps

But I'm leaning more towards arceus still he has immunity to everything Solaris can dish out and has some hax to bypass dura and the speed to blitz.....

 

[Aparajita]

But I'm leaning more towards arceus still he has immunity to everything Solaris can dish out and has some hax to bypass dura and the speed to blitz.....

This. Everything Solaris can do, Arecus can do and do it better.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

If Solaris is actual 2-B he stomps

He isnt. He's only likely between Low 2C and 2B but theres no real feat or way of knowing which is true or what between those 2 levels are true

 

[LTB2000]

Solaris wins this with having the edge in AP and the fact that he can exist in different timelines, making it harider for arceus to kill.

 

[Talonmask]

Arceus for reasons stated above.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Okay. That's 6 (Talonmask, FictionalBlade101, Aparajita, Not Jim Sterling, Coleworld12, KazarianFahs) to 2 (LTB2000, Sparky "Dante" Marky1234) in the favor of Arceus. I believe Arceus can win this for reasons stated above so I'll request.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I believe Arceus has this for the reason stated above.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

he can exist in different timelines, making it harider for arceus to kill.

So what? Dialga is the exact same thing and is nothing compared to Arceus. Solaris is basically dialga without infinite speed and possibly lower power. Being in Different timelines isnt gonna matter to Arceus one little bit.

 

[Aparajita]

So what? Dialga is the exact same thing and is nothing compared to Arceus. Solaris is basically dialga without infinite speed and possibly lower power. Being in Different timelines isnt gonna matter to Arceus one little bit.

Especially not when Arceus created "different timelines".

 

[Zeldasmash]

Arceus existed before the concept of time. He literally created time and Dialga is basically a slightly weaker Solaris. Solaris uses time, a concept that Arceus gives no ***** considering he existed before it. Reality warpings won't work on Arceus. Basically everything Solaris can do, Arceus can do much more consistantly and better.

Arceus wins.

 

[FictionalBlade101]

Arceus existed before the concept of time. He literally created time and Dialga is basically a slightly weaker Solaris. Solaris uses time, a concept that Arceus gives no ***** considering he existed before it. Reality warpings won't work on Arceus. Basically everything Solaris can do, Arceus can do much more consistantly and better.
Arceus wins.

Dialga isnt neccesarily weaker than Solaris hes a solid 2C in one of his keys while Solaris's power is pretty much an unknown, can be anywhere from Low 2C to 2B

 

[RadicalMrR]

Arceus for overall better hax,also is it just me or is Arceus the strongest 2-C on this Site?

can i request this be added?

 

[Mysterymist_the_omnipotent_interplanetary_idiot]

arceus is now 2b or higher

 

[EliminatorVenom]

Arceus wins, for reasons previously stated.

 

[NeoZex6399]

arceus is now 2b or higher

2-C Arceus is available...

 

[Mysterymist_the_omnipotent_interplanetary_idiot]

its still a stomp.....should be closed i think

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

Pretty much all of the hax that Solaris has are also what Arceus has. Arceus even has better ones to the extent of its literal Regenerationn would allow it to pretty much regenerate from practically anything Solaris throws at it, it has conceptual manipulation, it can literally forsee incoming attacks with precognition, etc. Not to mention Arceus also is immune to spacetime erasure. Arceus just stomps hard due to its wide versatility and its incredible variety of hax.