Arceus Low 1-C Hax Upgrade

[Zeifyl]

No?? He's low 1C on account on that Dimension.

His True Form being above creation should make it 6D, but I digress.

All creation is contained inside him and below his level of existence

BDE 2 should have him automatically scaling above the highest dimension in the cosmology lol

He literally brought you to his realm to have a fight with him. With all hax working JUST FINE.

First, that ain't how BDE 2 works. It just means that Arceus is > spacetime on a 5D level. Doesn't even imply 6D (or at the very least nothing more than a "0" on the 6D scale).

Second, what is that UES you all keep talking about? What does it mean?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah leave any shit about 6D out of this. There’s a reason why I wanted this thread to be specifically about this topic and this topic only.

 

[Hasty12345]

No?? He's low 1C on account on that Dimension.

His True Form being above creation should make it 6D, but I digress.

All creation is contained inside him and below his level of existence

BDE 2 should have him automatically scaling above the highest dimension in the cosmology lol

so there's a 5D dimension within the multiverse or whatever "creation" and his true form is beyond that? It does sound like he should be 6D.

He literally brought you to his realm to have a fight with him. With all hax working JUST FINE.

So every Pokemon should have low 1-C hax if they can fight a low 1-C avatar of Arceus using low 1-C hax right?

Question. Why is it that all characters who reach higher dimensions are automatically assumed to have their hax scale while Arceus is being restricted to creation hax ?

Dante and Co hax ALL work fine, judging from his matches . And is likely that will be the case for kirby

Don't know, sounds like some standards need to be clarified, but I'd hope those verses have feats of hax working on that scale

 

[Arceus0x]

Second, what is that UES you all keep talking about? What does it mean?

dudes trying to use Universal Energy Systems to argue which ain't working at all

 

[Arceus0x]

And is likely that will be the case for kirby

no, at best their attack potency will scale if it goes through.

 

[Zeifyl]

dudes trying to use Universal Energy Systems to argue which ain't working at all

Ohhh, THAT'S what it means. Thanks!

 

[Sniper670]

First, that ain't how BDE 2 works. It just means that Arceus is > spacetime on a 5D level. Doesn't even imply 6D (or at the very least nothing more than a "0" on the 6D scale).

All creation was one Essense within himself

There's literally no difference in his transcendence between the main multiverse and literally anything that comes after him

Fine. I'll make that CRT myself. Let's leave that out of this for now

 

[Hasty12345]

Second, what is that UES you all keep talking about? What does it mean?

"universal energy system"

Think about chakra or ki from DB

 

[Zeifyl]

"universal energy system"

Think about chakra or ki from DB

Oh, you're talking about types (the closest Pokemon equivalent), then?

 

[Zeifyl]

All creation was one Essense within himself

There's literally no difference in his transcendence between the main multiverse and literally anything that comes after him

Fine. I'll make that CRT myself. Let's leave that out of this for now

Okay. But if you can't prove a Reality/Fiction relation, or an uncountably infinite difference between true form llama and llama's realm, it shall remain as a BDE 2 5D.

 

[Hasty12345]

Oh, you're talking about types (the closest Pokemon equivalent), then?

No, I only brought them up because I believe the evidence used in this CRT would prove low 1-C hax potency, if Pokemon were to have one accepted. I didn't bring them up in an attempt to debunk anything, it's not really an argument against anything in this thread

 

[Zeifyl]

No, I only brought them up because I believe the evidence used in this CRT would prove low 1-C hax potency, if Pokemon were to have one accepted. I didn't bring them up in an attempt to debunk anything, it's not really an argument against anything in this thread

Ahhh. Not sure what that would even achieve either way, though.

 

[Sniper670]

Okay. But if you can't prove a Reality/Fiction relation, or an uncountably infinite difference between true form llama and llama's realm, it shall remain as a BDE 2 5D.

Only that?

That's fairly easy

 

[Arceus0x]

Technically pokemon do have a type of pseudo-UES. Pokemon have "energy" which is used in every move. An example is when a pokemon uses Hyper Beam and they need to recover energy after that. Energy is what makes most attacks glow, it is what composes those attacks. I am planning to finish what XXKing wanted to start at one point and make all weather based moves scale to AP that way but that's for another time.

 

[Zeifyl]

Only that?

That's fairly easy

So... You can prove that Arceus sees itself as fictional?

 

[Sniper670]

No, I only brought them up because I believe the evidence used in this CRT would prove low 1-C hax potency, if Pokemon were to have one accepted. I didn't bring them up in an attempt to debunk anything, it's not really an argument against anything in this thread

I'm not sure what this will prove.

All Pokémon possess Infinity Energy and Aura

 

[Hasty12345]

I'm not sure what this will prove.

All Pokémon possess Infinity Energy and Aura

Technically pokemon do have a type of pseudo-UES. Pokemon have "energy" which is used in every move. An example is when a pokemon uses Hyper Beam and they need to recover energy after that. Energy is what makes most attacks glow, it is what composes those attacks. I am planning to finish what XXKing wanted to start at one point and make all weather based moves scale to AP that way but that's for another time.

Well it sounds like Pokemon does have some sort of UES, I'm willing to withdraw my disagreement on this basis

 

[theultimate5105]

So... You can prove that Arceus sees itself as fictional?

I mean there is the Entire world exists only in Arceus’s mind thing which is comparable to a Reality/Fiction difference

 

[Sniper670]

Well it sounds like Pokemon does have some sort of UES, I'm willing to withdraw my disagreement on this basis

I don't understand why UES is enough to withdraw disagreement

Can you explain the relevancy of UES in this crt?

 

[Sniper670]

Technically pokemon do have a type of pseudo-UES. Pokemon have "energy" which is used in every move. An example is when a pokemon uses Hyper Beam and they need to recover energy after that. Energy is what makes most attacks glow, it is what composes those attacks. I am planning to finish what XXKing wanted to start at one point and make all weather based moves scale to AP that way but that's for another time.

I haven't seen it. Mind pointing me to it later?

 

[Arceus0x]

I haven't seen it. Mind pointing me to it later?

turn on any pokemon game, give hyper beam to a pokemon that has no abilities to prevent it from recharging, use hyper beam, use another move, learn that you need to re-charge.

 

[Arceus0x]

there's also a statment in the manga that i'll use when i make the CRT but that's for later.

 

[Sniper670]

there's also a statment in the manga that i'll use when i make the CRT but that's for later.

Why the wait?

 

[Arceus0x]

Why the wait?

cause i still haven't finished applying the Low 7-B/7-B CRT because i was doing exams and then moving countries and then moving into a new house and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i need help

 

[Deceived3596]

Agree.

The arguments against Arceus hax's not scaling to Low 1-C are honestly not that convincing at all compared to the arguments being made by Kukuki and Co rn.

 

[Sniper670]

So... You can prove that Arceus sees itself as fictional?

Yeah, do not start by scaling anyone to The Heart. It has no equivalent

That thing is a canvas on which all creation exists on. And the canvas, is Pure Consciousness, Brahman in Buddism, The Heart, exactly what humans use to perceive the world in Pokémon

In short. Cosmology is in his mind (The Heart)

 

[Sniper670]

cause i still haven't finished applying the Low 7-B/7-B CRT because i was doing exams and then moving countries and then moving into a new house and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i need help

It seems I can't edit some pages for some reason, so unfortunately I can't help

But I'll look forward to the next crt

 

[Hasty12345]

I don't understand why UES is enough to withdraw disagreement

Can you explain the relevancy of UES in this crt?

Most of Arecus' hax are upscaled (or all hax are downscaled from Arecus') from feats of the 2-A characters (and I guess every character in the verse) or shown through the use of an avatar at a level lower than low 1-C.

I don't see why we should use ambiguous statements and handwavey logic to assert every one of Arecus' hax scale to his true form, when he hasn't shown to do so, I suppose we need low 1-C rock manip because he upscales (or dugtrio downscales from Arceus, whatever the case may be) from dugtrio's rock manip hax due to having created a high 6-A dugtrio or whatever, to me that line of reasoning is just absurd.

To the best of my knowledge of how a UES is supposed to work, it would circumvent the issues I have with the reasoning used in this thread

 

[Hasty12345]

Yeah, do not start by scaling anyone to The Heart. It has no equivalent

That thing is a canvas on which all creation exists on. And the canvas, is Pure Consciousness, Brahman in Buddism, The Heart, exactly what humans use to perceive the world in Pokémon

In short. Cosmology is in his mind (The Heart)

Talk about confusing

 

[Arceus0x]

we need low 1-C rock manip because he upscales (or dugtrio downscales from Arceus, whatever the case may be) from dugtrio's rock manip hax due to having created a high 6-A dugtrio or whatever, to me that line of reasoning is just absurd.

that's actually the most logical thing about this whole ordeal. If you have a special attack that uses a rock charged with energy and that energy is Low 1-C then you will be able to harm people with Low 1-C durability.

 

[Hasty12345]

that's actually the most logical thing about this whole ordeal. If you have a special attack that uses a rock charged with energy and that energy is Low 1-C then you will be able to harm people with Low 1-C durability.

Admittedly, the whole idea that "everyone downscales from Arceus" has confused the hell out of me.

 

[Arceus0x]

Admittedly, the whole idea that "everyone downscales from Arceus" has confused the hell out of me.

he is the origin of all, he encompasses all in the pokemon universe and all the abilities that exist come from him and the plates.

 

[Zeifyl]

Yeah, do not start by scaling anyone to The Heart. It has no equivalent

That thing is a canvas on which all creation exists on. And the canvas, is Pure Consciousness, Brahman in Buddism, The Heart, exactly what humans use to perceive the world in Pokémon

In short. Cosmology is in his mind (The Heart)

And that's why he's 5D. Now you need to prove that Arceus sees The Heart as fictional.

 

[Pikaman]

And that's why he's 5D. Now you need to prove that Arceus sees The Heart as fictional.

Can we NOT do 6-D discussions in this thread please? Make a new one

 

[Sniper670]

And that's why he's 5D.

No???? It's because of his dimension. Literally why this crt is even a thing

Now you need to prove that Arceus sees The Heart as fictional.

The Cosmology exists within
The Heart, who is Pure Consciousness, a mind basically

Isn't that R>F difference? Lol.

Arceus is completely irrelevant

 

[Sniper670]

Can we NOT do 6-D discussions in this thread please? Make a new one

Sure. We leave that out of this.

 

[Tago238]

Jewel of life evidence seems like it absolutely proves the point.

 

[ZetaMarishi]

I don't really have much to add to this other than agreeing. I think that it all makes sense for this.

 

[Thelastmlg]

This really got bloated with the sudden 6D BS.

Anyway, the whole point is that the plates are arceus' energy, and their energy affected a low 1-C wirh hax, so the plates scale.

Also, in the same movie they learned about the energy messing stuff up, the (woman i forgot the name of) brought up their spaces, including arceus' and says that he created all of them, so yes, his realm is "part of creation".

The only things that aren't part of creation are the vortex of chaos and the heart as a entity, not structure

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Guys, STOP talking about anything 6-D. Please. This thread is about Arceus’s hax, not anything beyond what has been accepted for him.

This thread is becoming needlessly derailed and it needs to stop now.