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To the situation and randomness of being reported. Not to you in particular.
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Arceus and forgotten abilities + 5D Potency (avatar edition)
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They are literally not in the skies above Hisui do you see the earth anywhere (and yes you can look down)
Of course you don’t so you clearly don’t
Then you have the beyond the bounds of time and space which is the same as Arceus’s statement for his realm being outside of time and space
For some more evidence Giratina was trying to reach Arceus but he could not (clearly not in the atmosphere) and anywhere else in the world would be easy for Giratina to reach so it is clearly not in the multiverse which makes it so that it must be Arceus’s dimension
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What part of you literally see the MOON.
Arceus isn't always in the sky. The stairs and platform appear when the player plays the flute.
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Who the heck cares about the moon? The sky changes completely from what you had before, there are exactly 0 clouds and when you finish the encounter you literally wake up whilst standing, suggesting that you can only go there with you consciousness.
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Because it counts as evidence that it's in the sky.
And we see Aurora Borealis. That occurs in the Ionosphere beyond the clouds, so that's why you don't see any. Which is even more evidence that it takes place on earth.
Also Artistic interpretation is a big thing.
Even if what you say is true, that still doesn't mean it's Arceus Realm as it is completely different from the area where Arceus directly states is his realm.
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Arceus’s dimension is known to contain celestial bodies, show the earth it should be easy after all
And no that is not a aurora, Auroras happen near the poles and do not happen in Sinnoh at all (also it would be visible on the ground and even then you could see the earth past it)
The stairs that you are saying go to the sky it wouldn’t matter if they appeared or not as Arceus is shown sitting in that dimension which if it was in the sky would be trivial to access for Giratina
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Arceus's realm in the Pokemon Legends is depicted as a black void with a golden light shining through it.
The Aurora that occured isn't natural. It was brought on by playing the flute.
The stairs, the platform, Arceus all appeared when the flute was played. Arceus isn't hanging there in the sky all the time.
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Still suggesting this
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-5226377
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-5226377
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The golden light being Arceus and Space looks like a black void so that means nothing
So it means nothing then as it could be anywhere as it was caused by the flute
And why would he not be, the flute doesn’t summon him it only opened a path to him
Prove that it takes place in the sky and that Arceus was summoned by it
He has no reason to have been summoned especially when the eternal battle reverie takes place in the same place even without using the flute, which proves that he stays in that same place even when you are not using the flute
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Which is compltely different to the stars and Moon shown during the Azure flute event. And very much different to Anime movie where Arceus is inside a space filled with galaxies and swirling energy.
Except we have steps that show the Player acending upwards towards the sky. We also have the Plantinum Azure Flute event which depicts similar actions. Based on these two evidence I can beyond a doubt say that the Legends event happened in the sky and not in Arceus's realm which looked completely different.
I already did. What happens when you walk up stairs that go up into the sky? You end in the sky. Prove the player teleported to Arceus's realm between cutscene of him ascending the steps, and then reaching the top of the stairs.
And then Prove that Arceus's realm has multiple appearances.
Also you keep ignoring my evidence that the event is similar to the azure flute event in Platinum.
You can only access EBR after you use the flute to summon Arceus.
Is it impossible for Arceus to leave his realm and meet the player in the sky?
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Also, Bulbapedia states that Eternal Battle Reverie is at the Hall of Origin.
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
Eternal Battle Reverie
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No it isn't Space itself is black with stars inside of it. Hell when something is really bright (like Arceus's Light or the Sun) you cannot see any other sources of light
Steps which end after an unknown amount of time and are not known to actually stay in the same dimension
Can you look down and see the earth, No. Then you are not in the sky
Literally the same all around just space with stuff in it
Similar but not the same also technically that never even happened, at least use the BDSP version (which you can see the ground in)
And your proof that he is summoned, it is never showed to summon him just open up a path to him if it summoned him he would have zero reason not to do the same thing in the hall of Origin events but in those you can see the earth which is not visible in the Legends Arceus event even though if it was in the sky it should be visible
Already showed that it cannot be the sky as the Earth is not visible if you look down at the planet
Also the Hall of Origin has a very different appearence, The platform where you fight him is the Mystri stage (or at least it looks the exact same as it)
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Not true. Look at this video. There is nothing
Isn't Arceus's realm supposed to be inaccessible? How could the player reach it through walking?
They are in the sky because you can see the Moon and the stars.
Already proved you wrong. Arceus realm is pitch black. The only light comes from him. So prove that Arceu's dimension changes appearence.
Why would the player go through the same event again each time to go to the EBR? Also this is moot because it doesn't prove that it's Arceus's realm.
Already proved it's the sky because you can see the moon and the stars.
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Honestly there are a lot of places in the universe which can look like that (we don't even see every angle)
Because they opened a path to it
Which doesn't make it so they are in the sky. The trick is what you can't see which is the earth
Space is Pitch black (also that did not look pitch black) Arceus's realm already has parts of it that are pitch black from this
Arceus Directly brings you those times, and Arceus stays in his realm, Arceus is staying in that dimension, therefore it must be his realm
Which does not mean anything when his dimension has celestial bodies
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Gremmy really do be soloing the verse.
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These quotes may have potentially additional context if examined in Japanese. In particular, the stuff that can potentially describe the realm as beyond time and space, wether Arceus is referring the place they are standing in right there, or if he himself is speaking through the avatar (from beyond his realm that's also beyond time and space). I would suggest to seek them, as that can clear this discussion.
Edit: Because if that place is already beyond time and space, it lends credence to suggest it is in fact the same dimension he describes at the beginning of the game (though either way wouldn't matter, as the first confirmation would be more than enough imo)
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So unless I'm mistaken, here's the dialogue in japanese, if someone wants to translate it:
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Ngl my suggestion could save yall circling arguments
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I have asked in the translation thread.
It would still be beneficial to resolve this, as it would certainly upgrade the true form Arceus/Original Spirit to 6-D, potentially.
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Yap. I would create one but I am not verse knowledgeable on this regards. So it is best to create one and create CRT for it
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I would make one. But I have no idea how far along the canon split they already started on here currently is.
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I can help you with setting up but I have no material whatsoever. It is really the best solution to solve this infinite boundless circling argument.
PS: I am not siding with anyone here genuinely trying to be helpful
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So yeah, bois
Eternal Battle Reverie can't be Arceus dimension, as the only thing that connects the two has just been clarified by @Executor_N0 here edit: that is not really connected to Arceus' realm that's described at the beginning of the game. In fact, it kind of suggest to me that there's even a problem with even Arceus' realm being truly "beyond time and space" in a beyond dimensional sense. But I shall avoid the shit storm that will entail. Take it however you will.
Eternal Battle Reverie can't be Arceus dimension, as the only thing that connects the two has just been clarified by @Executor_N0 here edit: that is not really connected to Arceus' realm that's described at the beginning of the game. In fact, it kind of suggest to me that there's even a problem with even Arceus' realm being truly "beyond time and space" in a beyond dimensional sense. But I shall avoid the shit storm that will entail. Take it however you will.
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Well at least that chapter of the debate is over.
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So why is Arceus low 1C again?
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Seriously. What is your problem exactly?
I won't stand for this. Bring it on.
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Why exactly? That should be discussed then. But as he said he doesn't want to and will rather avoid it than talk about it. So no need to delve into that topic. As of now Eternal battle reverie is confirmed with translation by Executor
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Because God, that's who
Arceus literally says it's his plane of reality.
Arceus says its his realm
Arceus says it's his realm
Arceus says it's his realm
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What was the importance of that part again, I seriously don’t remember
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Pay more attention next time specially on the verse you're familiar and knowledgeable with and also important.
Read from here again
Now that these 2 realms are implied to have been different by translation done by Executor. His argument holds
And also comes the questioning whether Arceus realm really is tier 1 since the quote from where Arceus realm is 5D has some misapprehension/ or wrong implications
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Oh yeah, regarding this
It was decided the split wouldn't affect the Creation Trio. So don't wait on that for your thread.
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Except if one says that the one that Arceus fight in Isn’t his realm, then it doesn’t matter as you still cannot say if the one at the start of the game isn’t The same realm
Executor stating they are different covered the place where you fight Arceus not the place where the game starts
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Correction, it just proves that the Eternal Battle Reverie and Arceus' Realm are two separate things, not that Arceus' Realm in the anime and in the games are two separate things. His argument rely on this, not the Eternal Battle Reverie.
Again, at the moment the accepted cosmology consider the game and the anime as a single Multiverse, if that changes and the two are split then the God Tiers needs a huge revision, with the profile being separated in two different continuities, one for the Game and one for the Anime.
Also, there is no reason to he aggressive. Theultimate was rightfully confused because this thread became an unwatched mess, so much that even you didn't actually understand what the discussion was about.
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If the one at the start of the game is the Eternal Battle Reverie (which have nothing explicit, and the only description that links them seems to suggest is referring to time travel when mentioning "beyond time and space" according to Executor), then we have quite a big problem, you know.
Sniper670
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Masuda says it's the same place. It's the same multiverse
We can't really split it because they're all simply various Avatars of the Original Spirit
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Not really, I am not saying it is anymore as the main portion was debunked
The problem with that is if the eternal battle reverie dimension isn’t his dimension then it is irrelevant to the fact that the dimension at the beginning of the game is Arceus’s dimension and a black void is pretty much the same as Arceus’s dimension from the movies. So Arceus’s dimension would still only have one, just anything for the eternal battle reverie realm does not apply to it
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However, it weakens overall the hax scaling to Arceus in a explicit sense, as the Eternal Battle Reverie was used as proof of Arceus "warping his own dimension".
Only thing left is the shockwaves, which is a bit nonsensical to me to scale an ap feat to hax.
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Why is Arceus realm 5D at all?
Iirc "Beyond" time and space can mean many things. So why is Arceus realm 5D
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