Ladybug's and Catnoir's Absolute Power

[Masonic9+2]

Hello there! This thread is just serving the purpose for Ladybug's and Catnoir's abilities, this should also upscale them in a way which gives the the edge in fights. ill also be justifying such stuff, so we can go ahead and justify Ladybug's and Catnoir's abilities being absolute, this is forward to their passive as well.

Why Ladybug's and Catnoir's powers are absolute?
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The miraculous’s powers being absolute would just make formally sense, from a contradiction, any consequent can just be derived. If we let P represent absolute miracle manipulation and Not P represent absolute disaster manipulation, this would create a contradiction due to both of them are absolute and cannot coexist without invalidating each other’s absoluteness.

If a miracle is guaranteed to happen, but a disaster is guaranteed to prevent it, neither can overwrite the other without violating its own definition of being “absolute.” So the outcome would logically be that they perfectly cancel each other out, which is symbolic of the yin and yang narrative of Miraculous.

Summary​

In a vacuum of pure logic, they must cancel each other out. You cannot mathematically or conceptually top an absolute with an absolute; you can only meet it at the horizon and neutralize it on and equal field

Link to tweets​

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Paraconsistent Contention
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"Paraconsistent logic exists in which things can exist paradoxically without cancelling each other out"

Why should we adopt Paraconsistent logic to be an acceptability condition (If the debater is able to provide this; look for this):

• Circular Reasoning
• (if not fallacious) ask for a motivation for the concept

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"it’s not Sound"

Another route would just be: u can argue that through the contraadiction u can use POE (principle of explosion) to predicate any q (consequent) FROM p and not p (antecedent) since a consequent can exist from using POE, we can assume that a deduction exist ergo its sound

You can also ask why your argument being illogical is going to be a defeater, and just be a burden demon

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Therefore off of this, Ladybug and Catnoir should have absolute powers like absolute miracle manipulation, disaster manipulation, etc. the list keeps moving on and on. if you have any problems, please list them in the comments and ill contend to them.

 

[Mythic381]

Don't these tweets technically count as a leading question? Or in some way be invalidated? As the answer seems pretty heavily powerscaling-related, Thomas Astruc himself talking about powerscaling in these tweets.

 

[Masonic9+2]

Don't these tweets technically count as a leading question? Or in some way be invalidated? As the answer seems pretty heavily powerscaling-related, Thomas Astruc himself talking about powerscaling in these tweets.

I mean? I have no motivation to believe that these tweets are going to be unreliable

 

[BoastJr]

I don't see any particular tiers being proposed here

 

[Masonic9+2]

I don't see any particular tiers being proposed here

This thread isn’t centered around Attack Potency, or any type of tier, it’s just abilities

 

[Mythic381]

I mean? I have no motivation to believe that these tweets are going to be unreliable

Unreliability isn't what is being questioned here. Using WoG that is directly from a powerscaling question or is related to powerscaling usually invalidates it as being used on this wiki.

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

Don't these tweets technically count as a leading question?

No.

Leading the question would be asking Thomas if Marinette's cellphone transcends all dimensions and that makes her outversal because she's unquantificably superior to it (he has some of those too). Thomas is just yapping on a discussion he started and it's doing the legwork to justify it.

Also, he himself says in several tweets that he finds powerscaling to be nonsense (lol 'kay). His point with his tirade is that Powerscaling is irrelevant when it comes to the verse he created.

Anyways, I disagree with this thread. Namely because PS is a thing in Miraculous and Thomas is talking about potential unlimited powers - which lines up with the fact that, within what's explicitly stated in the show, the only limits the Miraculouses possess are the ones the holder imposes upon themselves. No Miraculous holder has yet unlocked the full scope of their "true power".