AP Gap Needed to Oneshot

[Sera_EX]

Nope. This is versus threads. They are borderline for fun and not remotely important enough to keep suggesting rules, regulations, and clarifications for. It should be something spoken off-handed, but not written unless it's a note. It does not affect how we do content revisions.

Physics is important in how we index our characters. Not how we feature them in vs battles as if vs battles are "real life battles with super powers." They aren't.

 

[DMUA]

It's heated but not hostile.

Hostility is more insults and hair pulling, this is just us being mildly angry as we present our arguments.

 

[Sera_EX]

We should have flexible vs debates that welcome newcomers. They need to understand our system, such as tiers and the like, but only here have I seen people complain about an actual numerical value for an AP stomp. Common sense should tell you a solar system level dude against a large planet level with no hax is a stomp, but here people will argue about a 5x difference between two 5-Bs being a stomp. Some even go as far as to say a "massive" stomp. We are our own wiki with our own system, but that system shouldn't deeply impact the mechanics of a vs debate. Here we can't even have a Naruto vs. Ichigo because it's a stomp (5-B vs. 5-C) yet Death Battle did it, at least giving Ichigo a fighting chance.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Nope. This is versus threads. They are borderline for fun and not remotely important enough to keep suggesting rules, regulations, and clarifications for. It should be something spoken off-handed, but not written unless it's a note. It does not affect how we do content revisions.

Physics is important in how we index our characters. Not how we feature them in vs battles as if vs battles are "real life battles with super powers." They aren't.

We have to go by what's on the profiles in versus threads. I do however agree with you that there doesn't need to be anymore rules regarding them, the ones we currently have are fine as it is.

Now Fun and Games is where we have the freedom to get more creative like do tiers equalized or other stuff.

 

[Sera_EX]

Yes, go by the profiles. No one can come from offsite and claim Naruto is only 5-C. However if they want to put him up against a 5-A or 5-C they should be able to without people screaming "STOMP!" Unless it's out of spite obviously.

 

[Wokistan]

That doesn't change the match being a stomp. Use F&G for stat equalization if that's what you're trying to do, or use haxxier characters where AP matters less.

 

[Sera_EX]

It does change it because it might not be a stomp. Most people only see both AP values and ignore everything else until presented in a debate. If enough people do that the thread might get closed before any actual discussion begins.

 

[Wokistan]

"pathetic" lol what

Even from an outsider perspective just going by the literal examples on the tiering system, Jupiter and Saturn are still far, far larger than earth. Those are the examples used for 5-A and 5-B respectively. No amount of skill is going to overcome that, that's the domain of hax abilities and those characters already get put into tier jumps all the time.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yes, go by the profiles. No one can come from offsite and claim Naruto is only 5-C. However if they want to put him up against a 5-A or 5-C they should be able to without people screaming "STOMP!" Unless it's out of spite obviously.

The difference between 5-A and 5-B and 5-B and 5-C is enormous. Of course those matches are going to be stomps without hax involved.

I think new users should make an effort to learn about the tiering system before they make versus threads on here.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I'm sorry, what are we arguing about?

 

[Sera_EX]

No. A 5-B can fight a 5-A. You only think they can't because you've been told that. For example. What about someone only 5 times less than baseline 5-A in AP? They are 5-B, but above what's required to Earth bust.

 

[Wokistan]

Also appealing to death battle probably isn't the best idea, considering they also do things like A 4-A vs A 5-B, which is a greater disparity between what you yourself used as an example of an obvious AP stomp,.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Okay this has nearly entirely derailed at this point.

 

[Wokistan]

Quite clearly does not apply to your example, as you used Naruto. PMMM characters already are used to fight 5-As, not sure what your point is here.

 

[Wokistan]

Not really, as the thread was intended to hash out what's going on with our standards for one shotting and that is what is being discussed.

 

[Sera_EX]

I'm not appealing to anything. I'm saying their approach to a more flexible debate is something we don't do here. Everything is "cold hard facts and numbers" unless hax is involved. Usually ridiculous hax.

 

[Wokistan]

You can pretty easily use the fun and games board for more flexible stuff. I don't see what's so inherently wrong about debate with objective and quantifiable statistics. Is it not the entire purpose of this site to quantify these statistics in the first place?

Hax isn't really the most related thing here

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

No. A 5-B can fight a 5-A. You only think they can't because you've been told that. For example. What about someone only 5 times less than baseline 5-A in AP? They are 5-B, but above what's required to Earth bust.

No, I don't think they can't because I've been told that. It's common sense.

Yes, a 5-B in the high end of the tier could fight a baseline 5-A but generally the gaps in between them are enormous.

However, a baseline 2-A would always dwarf the AP of a 2-B by infinity, even if that 2-B is on the highest level of that tier it can possibly be.

 

[Sera_EX]

It hasn't derailed, the premise is still the same.... Never mind. Weekly hasn't even replied in hours, which makes me think this thread doesn't even have a purpose anymore. Do whatever you want, it seems with every disagreement I make there is an assumption built in, and regardless, it's gotten to a point I'm actually getting angry for external reasons so...I'm done here.

I concede, please continue as you wish.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It's probably best to just close this thread; it's literally going all over the place.