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Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania Spoiler Discussion Thread
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I'm assuming that would upgrade almost everyone who is currently 9-B?
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The question is, would this be back-scalable to previous iterations of Ant-Man? Or just Quantamania?
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So Falcon, Ghost, Wasp, and Yellow Jacket are the first that come into mind.
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Black Widow should also directly scale to Ant-Man, so it'd be a very large scaling chain.
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@8:13 to 8:16
Black Widow was overpowering Ant-Man in the runway clash
Black Widow was overpowering Ant-Man in the runway clash
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He just controlled the AoE of the blasts
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If we make Ant-Man 9-A, that would upgrade an extensive enough scaling chain that even Kingpin would end up 9-A for being able to harm Kate Bishop.
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Tbf doesn’t Kate not really scale to anybody apart from goons?
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Her durability is currently scaled to stronger characters:
Durability: Wall level (Took hits from stronger opponents such as the likes of Yelena and Echo. Survived casual hits by Kingpin)
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Honestly, many humans in many works of fiction are just ridiculously stronger/more durable than a regular human should be. In real life, most of us are probably 10-B to 10-A and maybe 9-C at best
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If 9-A upgrades go through, I think Kate's AP might potentially be able to downscale to 9-B+ or something, seeing as she was able to beat up Kazi, who could put up a brief fight against Clint (though Kazi had the advantage of catching Clint off guard at the start) and withstand a kick from Echo.
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Idk if downscaling is enough, since the gap between vaping a human being and the baseline for wall level+ is too much of a downscale
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Maybe an 'at most 9-A' would work better for Kate's AP then. Kazi wasn't really shown to be an actual threat to Clint or Echo, but he clearly isn't orders of magnitude weaker either.
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@ArkhamDC06 i like your sandbox for kang the conqueror. Looks good, when will you officially release/create the official profile
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Thanks, need some further stuff to complete before publishing it
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Your welcome
i can't wait to see the council of kangs in upcoming movies (it looked a little silly though the post credit scene)
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I'm curious about it as well, though I wonder how they will bring Kang back (cause he's confirmed to come back). Either it will be Loki's Kang (assuming there are two versions of this specific Kang) or at the end of Kang Dynasty, the heroes will defeat the Council which will accidentally cause the return of Kang and Secret Wars will be about defeating him.
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I know this would better fit the main thread but is there a profile for Werewolf by Night already?
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Tbh there's no way Kang can beat Thanos with the IG unless he takes him by surprise. He got overwhelmed by ants, the space stone can easily seize his movements.
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Tbf, Kang has always been about technology and the movie states he's not at his prime here. Considering the guy is so dangerous HWMNBN thought the only to contain him was to create the TVA, which can casually deal with IS like they're nothing, he probably has access to similar stuff in his prime
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Nah not yet but I remember there being a sandbox
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Could you give a good estimate as to how many kangs were in the post credit scene
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Bruh, probably around hundreds if I recall correctly
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It’s a kang dynasty
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Literally lol
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I need to watch Loki again, tbh I never finished it. I should probably read the comics as well.
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So, what stops Kang shooting Scott from being a massive outlier since the difference between the wall level Scott is and the 9-A suggested is at least hundreds, likely thousands, of times higher than anything else he’s shown. Plus this puts him higher than anything she-hulk and the red guardian have showcased.
Also I believe those beams should be deconstruction, not ap, so Scott shouldn’t scale to it anyways. People don’t turn to vapor they are just ctrl Alt deleted by the beams (especially since they are turned into weird blue energy for a second before disappearing, instead of vapor). Edit: to clarify I don’t think Scott would get deconstruction resistant if it is deconstruction, I think Kang just chose not to use that feature.
Plus, if Kang can vary his beams power, which is why nobody would scale to his higher ap, why would his ap need to be 9-A when he hit Scott. His suit was heavily damage by the ants before he shot him (unless you guys are referring to a different scene than I’m thinking of, but then it goes back to the lasers having varying power and a wrecked suit being able to harm Scott).
Also I believe those beams should be deconstruction, not ap, so Scott shouldn’t scale to it anyways. People don’t turn to vapor they are just ctrl Alt deleted by the beams (especially since they are turned into weird blue energy for a second before disappearing, instead of vapor). Edit: to clarify I don’t think Scott would get deconstruction resistant if it is deconstruction, I think Kang just chose not to use that feature.
Plus, if Kang can vary his beams power, which is why nobody would scale to his higher ap, why would his ap need to be 9-A when he hit Scott. His suit was heavily damage by the ants before he shot him (unless you guys are referring to a different scene than I’m thinking of, but then it goes back to the lasers having varying power and a wrecked suit being able to harm Scott).
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Ultron Sentries (Marvel Cinematic Universe)
The Ultron Sentries are mass produced robots that function as extensions of Ultron's will and can sometimes house his AI if his main body is destroyed. Tier: 9-B Name: Ultron Sentries Origin: Marvel Cinematic Universe Gender: None Age: Unknown Classification: Robot Powers and Abilities...
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If this does get treated as Deconstruction rather than AP, Scott still scales in a sense of "Resistance to Deconstruction". Which has this note at the bottom of the page, btw:
The calc I linked was just a suggestion using one that already exists under Reference for Common Feats, since that's the closest thing I found to what is shown in the movie
Because Scott should at the very least scale to the low-end AP value of Kang's energy blasts
The first link that I gave is from a non-damaged Kang suit
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The Ultron bots currently scale to the 9-B end, and Scott never even fought those. (If it could be higher it should be calculated)
Plus that still doesn’t account for that dozens beyond dozens of examples of 9-Bs being just 9-B. Literally nobody but scott gets this high, but Scott is one of the physically weakest characters in the series. Also it’s ways higher than She-hulk and the Red Guardian, one of which is literally part hulk and the other being a super soldier.
The completely wreck suit still damaged him so it makes it extremely circular on whether Scott would scale to the functional suit.
By the logical of him using 9-A beams super causally, why won’t he just use the 6-B beam against Scott instead. He used it just fine when Scott was big. There is no evidence he hit him with the 9-A beam, since the beam can vary by millions of times we have no way of knowing the actual ap of the beam that hit Scott.
I’ve seen multiple characters get deconstruction for turning people into blue energy really similarly to how Kang’s does it (Ryu from street fight immediately coming to mind, his is just slower). They aren’t turned to vapor, they turn into a blue goopy explosion.
Plus that still doesn’t account for that dozens beyond dozens of examples of 9-Bs being just 9-B. Literally nobody but scott gets this high, but Scott is one of the physically weakest characters in the series. Also it’s ways higher than She-hulk and the Red Guardian, one of which is literally part hulk and the other being a super soldier.
The completely wreck suit still damaged him so it makes it extremely circular on whether Scott would scale to the functional suit.
By the logical of him using 9-A beams super causally, why won’t he just use the 6-B beam against Scott instead. He used it just fine when Scott was big. There is no evidence he hit him with the 9-A beam, since the beam can vary by millions of times we have no way of knowing the actual ap of the beam that hit Scott.
I’ve seen multiple characters get deconstruction for turning people into blue energy really similarly to how Kang’s does it (Ryu from street fight immediately coming to mind, his is just slower). They aren’t turned to vapor, they turn into a blue goopy explosion.
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He scales to characters who fought them (
Whose 9-A feat was done easily and scales way unquantifiably above Titania's 9-A feat
Who's on-screen feats are mostly done when he was out-of-shape and not in his prime
I'm pretty sure the 6-B attacks aren't the beams but his energy discharges. The energy shots from his hands are the ones that are 9-A
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Scott was getting his butt kicked by black widow before he became small. Afterwards he was in position that would nigh impossible for her to properly fight him (he did overpower her arm, but he could put his full body into it versus her only having the one arm to try and push back, plus he was already in the much better position). He backscales from her and she’s already one of the more generically 9-B characters (like not weak at all, just not necessarily strong either).
It doesn’t matter if Red Guardian is past his prime. His past prime self is still stronger than the other 9-Bs, meaning his feats can absolutely make Scott’s feat an outlier.
She Hulk specifically has her own feats and non get close to Scott’s. Plus Titana would also be hilarious above Scott and she doesn’t get close to his feat either.
I don’t see why the discharge that hit Scott won’t technically just be the higher ap version of his hand beams. Both came out of the same spot on his hand (when it came to Scott, Kang can just dispel it out of his body), and are the same blue energy. It’s not like he has another special weapon, it’s the suit energy he uses for all his attacks.
It doesn’t matter if Red Guardian is past his prime. His past prime self is still stronger than the other 9-Bs, meaning his feats can absolutely make Scott’s feat an outlier.
She Hulk specifically has her own feats and non get close to Scott’s. Plus Titana would also be hilarious above Scott and she doesn’t get close to his feat either.
I don’t see why the discharge that hit Scott won’t technically just be the higher ap version of his hand beams. Both came out of the same spot on his hand (when it came to Scott, Kang can just dispel it out of his body), and are the same blue energy. It’s not like he has another special weapon, it’s the suit energy he uses for all his attacks.
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He still scales to characters that scale to Ultron Sentries that did a 9-B feat casually
And got harmed by a Black Widow-level character, so other 9-Bs already scale to him. And his feats are still below the Ultron Sentry one that other 9-Bs scale to
That were not done using her full strength. That's the reason she has an "At least" rating
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