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What proof do you have that they are stronger? Bang and Bomb are actually comparable in their stats, and Fubuki even states that Bang and Bomb would've been very much injured if she hadn't shield them both.No. Knocking someone back isn't the same as harming them. Rover's AP scales to Bang and Bomb's durability. It is a stonewall. I very doubt that Bang and Bomb's combined attacks < Rover's energy blasts. I think they are stronger.
Some scaling, and Genos scaling to psykorochi.For some reason, I don't think I was getting notifications for this thread, even though I'm following it. Weird. Well, that or I just glossed over them.
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What I'm saying is that when did Rover get any hurt from Bang and Bomb's attacks? We have literally no proof suggests that Rover's energy blasts can harm itself.What proof do you have that they are stronger? Bang and Bomb are actually comparable in their stats, and Fubuki even states that Bang and Bomb would've been very much injured if she hadn't shield them both.
Neat.Some scaling, and Genos scaling to psykorochi.
That doesn’t mean Rover can harm himself.His attacks could very much heavily harm bang and Bomb, which is consistent with Bang and Bomb not being able to harm rover.
Maybe what Nullflowerblush suggested above regarding Choze' LS?Also, since Suiryu and Choze were mentioned in the OP, can we get Choze's Lifting Strength downgraded to Unknown? Choze has no reason to scale to Suiryu in terms of Lifting Strength, seeing as how they never grapple, are never stated to be comparable, and never fight each other in a manner that allows Choze to scale to his Lifting Strength. In fact, Suiryu is portrayed as superior to Choze in terms of physical ability.
- Choze grabbed Suiryu's arms, while they were stationary, and tried to drive his horns into Suiryu's chest, but Suiryu stood there and tanked it.
- Suiryu is consistently knocking Choze around with his punches and kicks.
- Suiryu grabbed Choze by his horns and effortlessly snapped his horn and slammed him into his knee.
- Choze ultimately lost, with Suiryu manhandling his body in the end.
Overpowering TK would be a LS showing based on our system. since you're overcoming them trying to hold you with your muscles. Though I don't know how to factor that with Blizzard's statement about willpower in the webcomic.I'm not sure if pinning someone down with telekinesis is a physical feat? Isn't that like a durability negation thing
How would it be dura negation...?I'm not sure if pinning someone down with telekinesis is a physical feat? Isn't that like a durability negation thing
No. Only Spiral Cannon is legitimate for that.Genos will be solid High 6-A even without Spiral Cannon?
He won't scale to it. Only named attacks have any grounds for scaling and one is explicitly not intended to be on the same level. Qaw literally pointed out right now that Psykos' smaller attacks aren't accepted for scaling.If Ugarik’s calc is accepted, because it’s too far into High 6-A for Genos to downscale.
Incorrect, you went over it but you failed to present your argument that makes it acceptable. And in both instances it is performed with named special attacks showing that regular Genos doesn't scale to it. Do you understand the concept of why a named attack would be stronger than a generic blast.We already went over this, Matthew. Genos deflected an attack from Psykos’ main body (which Qawsdef said would have similar power to her High 6-A attack) and directly clashed with one.
IT's the Thunder Drill Cannon, Genos states in the same chapter, did you miss it?Yeah, this attack right here wasn’t ever given a name, so...
Estimation based on people in other cities reacting to it as she fires it, and the fact that it produces winds that reach that far away.Also I’d love to see where it was stated that Psykos held her High 6-A blast for nearly a minute.
A beam does hit the ground and it destroys a building at one point, proving not all beams produce similar effects.And like Qawsdef said earlier, Tatsumaki was concerned about Psykos’ beams hitting the ground because of them producing similar effects (and she was including the dragon head beams in that statement), and on top of that, Psykos thought her blast (the one that Genos deflected) would be enough to harm Tatsumaki despite seeing her withstand the High 6-A beam.
This is the Thunder Drill Cannon.IT's the Thunder Drill Cannon, Genos states in the same chapter, did you miss it?
So your entire wattage argument is based on an estimation, which hasn’t even been calced nor is it considered in either of the current High 6-A calcs.Estimation based on people in other cities reacting to it as she fires it, and the fact that it produces winds that reach that far away.
Or the beam simply has less DC, not less AP. And from the way the beam is drawn, it’s from a dragon head, not a beam from her main body.A beam does hit the ground and it destroys a building at one point, proving not all beams produce similar effects.
I have no problem with the Spiral Cannon scalling.
Genos opens his body and shoots it, it's the same attack. I'm not sure how you are misremembering it so vividly.This is the Thunder Drill Cannon.
Proving the calcs are wrong, it's that simple. They are ignoring basic science, I'm sorry.So your entire wattage argument is based on an estimation, which hasn’t even been calced nor is it considered in either of the current High 6-A calcs.
You can't simultaneously argue that "Oh, the beams would cause similar results because Tatsumaki was worried" but then when a beam hits the ground and it doesn't say it doesn't matter. That is major cognitive dissonance, I can't believe you seriously believe it. Similarly you can't rate a character a tier solely because how big a blast is and then act like the smaller blasts are comparable.Or the beam simply has less DC, not less AP. And from the way the beam is drawn, it’s from a dragon head, not a beam from her main body.
She was convinced that Tatsumaki would die because her arms were pierced, she was being electrocuted and her powers were temporarily nullified. It is not a requirement for that beam to be as strong as the continental-blast, specially since Tatsumaki had just destroyed Psykos' body from within while also depriving her from her immediate roots, does greatly reducing her energy.I know, I’m not talking about the True Spiral Incineration Cannon.
Okay, if you think the whole calc is wrong, then this entire argument won’t go anywhere and you should go deal with that problem first.Proving the calcs are wrong, it's that simple. They are ignoring basic science, I'm sorry.
The physics thing was already discussed though, and Genos feat still applies. The actual best thing would be to let Matt make his own thread and explain his problems with the High 6-A calc itself.The best thing to do is not to use the Psykos feat because he ignores basic physics and uses the Low 6-B material.
Relax, I'm just being ironic about it.The physics thing was already discussed though, and Genos feat still applies. The actual best thing would be to let Matt make his own thread and explain his problems with the High 6-A calc itself.
My bad then lol, I couldn’t really tell.Relax, I'm just being ironic about it.
I have no problem with calculating the beam.The physics thing was already discussed though, and Genos feat still applies. The actual best thing would be to let Matt make his own thread and explain his problems with the High 6-A calc itself.
The recalc is using it and I pointed out how its bad.But no one is applying the continent's income falling back to Earth to Psykos, where did you get that from?
You just said that the calcs were wrong though?I have no problem with calculating the beam.
I have problems with:
1. Thinking that Psykos is at her peak just like when she shot it for the whole fight (She got weaker after Tatsumaki tore her from the inside out and she reformed mishapenly)
2. Thinking that small spam beams are just as strong.
3. Applying the yield of the continent falling back to Earth to Psykos when that is just a consequence of gravity.
No, this is PE, which is where the mass (part of the planet) reached a height, it does not use time or anything, it is only necessary to have such energy to reach that altitude. It would be what you mentioned if he was using KEThe recalc is using it and I pointed out how its bad.
Those small beams that Psykos spams in bulk which Genos small intercepts wih small blasts of his own aren't similar in power.And nobody’s saying that the dragon heads are just as strong, it’s the beams from her main body that would have similar (maybe not equal, but similar) power.