Another OPM revision

[Emirp sumitpo]

• Durability scales to AP, if the AP is physical in question. Genos wouldn't get High 6-A durability for matching Psykos as an example, because his enhanced beams are irrelevant to his physicals
• AP does not inherently scale to durability. Stone Walls, Mighty Glaciers, and Brick Walls are all terms that exist for a reason. A character can be 8-C durability wise but only 9-A AP wise. The only time they would scale in a 1:1 ratio is if they physically harm themselves with their attacks due to the force.
• AP to durability scaling can work through intermediaries. Plenty of profiles have a 7-B durability feat, then X hurts the person with a punch, then Y hurts X. In this case their AP would scale to their durability, due to a chain existing

Thank you

 

[Kin201]

We all know that Garou's AP scales to his durability always. It is just that in this case, he hadn't had the chance to prove that. I think we should treat that feat as outlier and give him Low 7-B overall. But if everyone okays with his durability being that far above his own AP, I have to agree as well.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We all know that Garou's AP scales to his durability always. It is just that in this case, he hadn't had the chance to prove that. I think we should treat that feat as outlier and give him Low 7-B overall. But if everyone okays with his durability being that far above his own AP, I have to agree as well.

Why is it an outlier, and there's literally no hard evidence that proves that his AP scale stop his dura, do you have scans for that?

 

[Kin201]

As others said. In other instances, he always proved that he could harm opponents who could harm himself. It is just that, in that case, he hadn't had the chance to prove that because he didn't fight anyone who was on his level. The only small proof I can think of is when Royal Ripper pierced his stomach and he immediately one-shot it afterward.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Genos has been pretty consistently able to tank his own attacks. From the first time Kabuto blew his blast back at him to when he stood in the epicenter of the blast he used to fry Elder Centipede's insides.
However I hope no one is going to argue that his durability scales to his 10 second mode's output when it's explicitly stated that it's unbalanced.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Wow I missed a good bit. Is there anything left to be discussed?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Still the Geno's and psykorochi beams scaling, and the scaling for some others hasn't exactly been given thumbs up by everyone.

 

[Kin201]

Well. Actually, BoS Genos had some upgrades before he fought Deep Sea King iirc. Perhaps we should make another key for him so that he can scale to Deep Sea King.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

IIRC, that idea was rejected similar to first key orochi, as there wasn't that much for a difference to justify a new key. I'd go with "High 7-C, higher with upgrades" instead of a new key

 

[LordTracer]

Still the Geno's and psykorochi beams scaling, and the scaling for some others hasn't exactly been given thumbs up by everyone.

What is there with Genos/Psykos that’s left to discuss? The “issue” with Genos deflecting her beams at an angle was sorted out and Qawsdef said that the beams fired by Psykos’ main body are similarly-powered to the High 6-A one, and Genos was shown to deflect and clash with beams from her main body. It seems pretty clear-cut to me.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I dunno, I haven't been keeping with that discussion.

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah, I don't really understand Matt's statement either...

It's like he's trying really hard to limit Genos' AP for no other reason than:

A. He said he could destroy a meteor (Which for some reason he thinks is the absolute limit of his power)
B. A broken-off piece of Psykos blast only destroyed a building.
C. The beam isn't the same size (Has already been disputed multiple times).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

• Not every beam fired by Neuron Psykos is High 6-A, as evidence when the dragon mouths don't nuke country sized areas on missed shots. However, all of the beams fired from Psykos herself seems to carry similar or at least notable levels of power. Tornado explicitly mentioned that she needed to make sure none of Psykos' main beams hit the Earth in order to avoid more collateral damage.

This is my point. The small beams can't be as powerful or comparable

 

[Kin201]

Nobody here said the small beams are comparable.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So only the Geno's and psykorochi beams need to be discussed right? Afaik Ugarik's new calc hasn't been approved yet

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

If those are the only things left could the rest of the changes be applied if everyone is in agreement with them. Also Ugarik's calc could take a bit to be accepted so it might be best to apply the other changes while we wait.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Basically, the psykos, tats and genos stuff and the new calc are still in discussion. I'll update the OP later. The changes can be applied after I update the OP. I'll comment when the changes can be applied later on

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Sounds good.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Uga's calc doesn't change the tier or the scaling. As soon as its accepted the link can just be updated.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I know, we're just waiting ofr it to be accepted, but apparently Matthew has problems with it.

 

[LordTracer]

Uga's calc doesn't change the tier or the scaling. As soon as its accepted the link can just be updated.

Actually it would change 10 Second Genos’ tier (aside from the True Spiral Incineration Cannon)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

If it's accepted, then Genos would not downscale to 6-A+ anymore, but that discussion is still ongoing.

 

[Kin201]

Genos will be solid High 6-A even without Spiral Cannon?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That is still in discussion

 

[LordTracer]

Genos will be solid High 6-A even without Spiral Cannon?

If Ugarik’s calc is accepted, because it’s too far into High 6-A for Genos to downscale.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Updated the OP. Anyone willing to put the changes or just me? And besides the Tatsumaki, pyskorochi and Genos stuff. Does anyone have any last objections to the changes?

 

[ImposingTiger]

Why are Rover's blasts in the same tier as his durability?

 

[Kin201]

Why are Rover's blasts in the same tier as his durability?

Rover is a stonewall but his AP scales to Bang.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Rover is a stonewall but his AP scales to Bang.

No?

Your durability automatically scales to you AP

 

[Kin201]

Rover can hurt Bang with its energy attacks. So its AP scales to Bang's durability and doesn't scale to its own durability.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

? Rover could survive attacks from Bang?

 

[Kin201]

What do you mean? That's a durability feat. It doesn't scale to its AP.

 

[LordTracer]

Y’know Rover being a stonewall means his durability scales above his AP.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Rover can harm those who can harm him? What's the problem.

 

[Kin201]

When did Rover harm opponents that can harm it?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Wasn't stated his attacks would harm bang?

Here it is

 

[LordTracer]

Rover can harm Bang and Bomb.

Rover can tank hits from amped Bang and Bomb at the same time.

His AP and durability are the same tier, but his durability scales above his AP.

 

[Kin201]

I mean when did Rover get hurt...

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Here, he wasn't really affected by it that much later tho.

But basically, his dura and attacks are both above Bang's and Bomb's AP and dura. therefore he shouldn't have unbalanced ratings.

 

[Kin201]

No. Knocking someone back isn't the same as harming them. Rover's AP scales to Bang and Bomb's durability. It is a stonewall. I very doubt that Bang and Bomb's combined attacks < Rover's energy blasts. I think they are stronger.