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Unlike with them though, Spider-Man has never ever shown the ability to punch down Rhino. With everyone else he has or it at least its implied that he can.By that logic, the Gob Squad is stronger than him, which certainly isn't true
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Unlike with them though, Spider-Man has never ever shown the ability to punch down Rhino. With everyone else he has or it at least its implied that he can.By that logic, the Gob Squad is stronger than him, which certainly isn't true
Season 1 Episode 11. Electro passes out trying to shock Rhino off of him.Rhino? Scale to Electro?
Wasn't it agreed that the Electro pool feat was an outlier, along with the fact that vaporizing feats aren't as reliable anymore?Season 1 Episode 11. Electro passes out trying to shock Rhino off of him.
Also from what I see in out calc page vaporizing that pool is only like, High 8-C
Chipping off some face armor when all of his other attacks did nothing does not mean he scales. Staggering someone also isn't a feat for most fictional universes.I've gone over already in the thread that while Peter has harmed the Rhino twice,
Poor guy couldn't even overload and explode, you sure we should give him the benefit of the doubt?Season 1 Episode 11. Electro passes out trying to shock Rhino off of him.
Nah, it's 8-A.Also from what I see in out calc page vaporizing that pool is only like, High 8-C
Ummmmmmm... about that...Anyways the final calc that can probably be made is Electro's vaporizing an Olympic sized swimming pool (presumably a College would have that size pool for competitions).
Yeah you're right. My calculator didn't covert 2,500 m^3 to cm^3 correctly so I was off by a factor of like, a thousand.A typical Olympic-sized swimming pool holds about 2.5 million liters or 2500 m^3 of water. Assuming the temperature changes from room temperature to boiling (21 degrees C to 100 degrees C is 79 degrees C change), that's gonna wield a whopping 1.55 kilotons of TNT once you combine the specific heat and the latent heat.
why would it even be an outlierWasn't it agreed that the Electro pool feat was an outlier, along with the fact that vaporizing feats aren't as reliable anymore?
BRUHYeah you're right. My calculator didn't covert 2,500 m^3 to cm^3 correctly so I was off by a factor of like, a thousand.
One 8-A+ feat that resulted in Electro being knocked out vs three consistent 8-C featswhy would it even be an outlier
It's not that vaporizing feats aren't reliable (Otherwise explosion feats would get nuked willy nilly, also universal energy systems are a thing for these kinds of stuff), it's just that it's a massive outlier and becomes even more iffy to scale if electricity is in the mix. Since, well, you know, electricity gets nerfed if it attacks someone who's grounded AKA planted to the floor.Wasn't it agreed that the Electro pool feat was an outlier, along with the fact that vaporizing feats aren't as reliable anymore?
3 consistent feats that were all ultra causal makes that an outlier?One 8-A+ feat that resulted in Electro being knocked out vs three consistent 8-C feats
Kinda speaks fo itself
Ah alright, that must be what I've been hearing regarding certain vaporization feats then. Makes senseIt's not that vaporizing feats aren't reliable (Otherwise explosion feats would get nuked willy nilly, also universal energy systems are a thing for these kinds of stuff), it's just that it's a massive outlier and becomes even more iffy to scale if electricity is in the mix. Since, well, you know, electricity gets nerfed if it attacks someone who's grounded AKA planted to the floor.
Electro outputting the same amount of energy as this is just not consistent.why would it even be an outlier
Yes. Because the gap between this feat and them is larger than the gap between a SR-71 black bird and a house cat's trotting speed3 consistent feats that were all ultra causal makes that an outlier?
Somehow I find this hilarious enough to give myself a coughing fit.Yes. Because the gap between this feat and them is larger than the gap between a SR-71 black bird and a house cat's trotting speed
why is the gap being massive from 3 ultra casual feats mean anythingElectro outputting the same amount of energy as this is just not consistent.
Yes. Because the gap between this feat and them is larger than the gap between a SR-71 black bird and a house cat's trotting speed
There's a difference between casual feats that mean nothing as detractions to a peak value and an outlier with its context providing us with valid reasoning as to why it doesn't scale verse-widewhy is the gap being massive from 3 ultra casual feats mean anything
It... it means a lot. Its why the concept of outlier exists. Also of the three feats, two of them are weapons that can harm people and the last was spread over Rhino's entire body.why is the gap being massive from 3 casual feats mean anything
what?There's a difference between casual feats that mean nothing as detractions to a peak value and an outlier with its context providing us with valid reasoning as to why it doesn't scale verse-wide
you act like those weapons cannot just....upscale from that feat. Why does it matter if it was spreading over his body? he took like no damage from that fall at allIt... it means a lot. Its why the concept of outlier exists. Also of the three feats, two of them are weapons that can harm people and the last was spread over Rhino's entire body.
Um....why would the Shocker Gauntlets + Suit or Pumpkin Bomb barrages upscale that....? Electro's feat literally involved an explosion that knocked him out and none of his attacks against his targets are like that againyou act like those weapons cannot just....upscale from that feat
Or, its just an outlier showing.you act like those weapons cannot just....upscale from that feat
Because the force is being spread over a surface area that's probably 2 or 3 square meters vs a fist that has a surface area a fraction of that size.Why does it matter if it was spreading over his body?
didn't him short-circuiting is what caused him to be knocked out or sum? don't really remember that feat much, and I'm pretty sure peter proceeds to take the water explosion point blank in the same scene so idkUm....why would the Shocker Gauntlets + Suit or Pumpkin Bomb barrages upscale that....? Electro's feat literally involved an explosion that knocked him out and none of his attacks against his targets are like that again
how is it an outlier when its feats is shown to do causal 8-C feats with nothing above contradicting it? that literally doesn't make senseOr, its just an outlier showing.
doesn't matter anyways, he literally took no damageBecause the force is being spread over a surface area that's probably 2 or 3 square meters vs a fist that has a surface area a fraction of that size.
Its the bullet vs baseball analogy.
didn't him short-circuiting is what caused him to be knocked out or sum? don't really remember that feat much
how is it an outlier when its feats is shown to do causal 8-C feats with nothing above contradicting it? that literally doesn't make sense
doesn't matter anyways, he literally took no damage
it being consistently 8-C which mind you those feats are practically effortless with like one 8-a+ feat doesn't make it have any sort of scaling problems apart from electro seemingly getting knocked out by his own blast which came out of himA) It isn't. He was totally fine before that and wasn't short-circuiting at all. Then he fell into the pool and we know the rest
B) The three 8-C feats are all consistent and scalable. The 8-A+ is literally the opposite of all of those things. The difference is night and day
C) Electro and Spider-Man are comparable and can trade attacks, yet, the explosion literally causes Max to lose consciousness. Yes, it did damage
He was on the roof above the pool. Nothing hit him.the water explosion point blank in the same scene so idk
how is it an outlier
Rhino's fall from the Daily Bugle is 8-C tho. Shocker's blasts are only a tiny smidge lower than that.it being consistently 8-C which mind you those feats are practically effortless with like one 8-a+ feat doesn't make it have any sort of scaling problems apart from electro seemingly getting knocked out by his own blast which came out of him
i wasn't talking about electro, i was talking about the rhinos fall from the daily bugle
those same bombs that couldn't hurt goblin yet peter can still injure him and we're still using the said feat. Why is this a pointThe gap isn't just some small thing. Bare minimum its 1,850 times bigger than the other feats and the maximum its 4,870 times higher.
- Bombs that injure Spider-Man: 0.308 Tons of TNT
- Eletro's feat: 571 Tons of TNT with ang sizing and 1,500~ Tons of TNT with using IRL swimming pools
I know it's a massive gap, my main issue is the fact that every single 8-c feat called was done literally effortlessly. Still saying the 8-a feat is an outlier just because its higher than 3 causal feats is stupid to meSanic, I really don't know how else we can explain how huge of a gap the three 8-C feats and the one 8-A+ feat are. Just because a higher end calculation exists does not always mean we can use it
A) Peter has tanked three different Pumpkin Bomb barrages with only one of them managing to damage his suit. Totally differentthose same bombs that couldn't hurt goblin yet peter can still injure him and we're still using the said feat. Why is this a point
Even if they're done effortlessly, trying to use that to justify scaling to a feat well over a thousand times the usual showings is usually what I'd call pushing it unless we have explicit statement of x percentage power usage when weakened or some shit like that.I know it's a massive gap, my main issue is the fact that every single 8-c feat called was done literally effortlessly. Still saying the 8-a feat is an outlier just because its higher than 3 causal feats is stupid to me
I mean, if nothing really contradicts said feat then I don't see the problem, limiting feats like that just because there are more 8-c feats when nothing ***** up the scaling if we have a feat higher is just uselessEven if they're done effortlessly, trying to use that to justify scaling to a feat well over a thousand times the usual showings is usually what I'd call pushing it unless we have explicit statement of x percentage power usage when weakened or some shit like that.
1. My guy, you know this helps my point even further right? how can one goblin bomb damage his suit but goblin himself couldn't but then proceed to tank a multitude of them unscathed but can still be damaged by spiderman with normal blows?A) Peter has tanked three different Pumpkin Bomb barrages with only one of them managing to damage his suit. Totally different
A) No, it really doesn't. 8-C is a far cry from 8-A+ and I'm simply correcting your misinterpretation of Peter's case of tanking the bombs. Don't twist my words1. My guy, you know this helps my point even further right? how can one goblin bomb damage his suit but goblin himself couldn't but then proceed to tank a multitude of them unscathed but can still be damaged by spiderman?
didn't you just say it one goblin bomb damaged his suit, such a feat literally never happened in the series up till that pointB) Neither Gobby nor Spider-Man were ever injured by a singular Pumpkin Bomb. That's why the barrage feats are so significant