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Unlike with them though, Spider-Man has never ever shown the ability to punch down Rhino. With everyone else he has or it at least its implied that he can.
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Another downgrade to the Spectacular Spider-Man
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Season 1 Episode 11. Electro passes out trying to shock Rhino off of him.
Also from what I see in out calc page vaporizing that pool is only like, High 8-C
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I've gone over already in the thread that while Peter has harmed the Rhino twice, it's still far more reliable for him to use more clever tactics than go for a direct beatdown given how much of a problem O'Hirn is in close quarters. Its a case of "fight smarter, not harder"
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Wasn't it agreed that the Electro pool feat was an outlier, along with the fact that vaporizing feats aren't as reliable anymore?
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Chipping off some face armor when all of his other attacks did nothing does not mean he scales. Staggering someone also isn't a feat for most fictional universes.
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Again, the other attacks doing nothing is something I've also gone over with. Besides, chipping that armour is specifically a detail included in the animation with the narrative of the episode speaking about how durable O'Hirn is. Yes, Rhino is stronger, but Peter still scales to Rhino's 0.56 tons of TNT
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Poor guy couldn't even overload and explode, you sure we should give him the benefit of the doubt?
Nah, it's 8-A.
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Ummmmmmm... about that...
A typical Olympic-sized swimming pool holds about 2.5 million liters or 2500 m^3 of water. Assuming the temperature changes from room temperature to boiling (21 degrees C to 100 degrees C is 79 degrees C change), that's gonna wield a whopping 1.55 kilotons of TNT once you combine the specific heat and the latent heat.
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Yeah you're right. My calculator didn't covert 2,500 m^3 to cm^3 correctly so I was off by a factor of like, a thousand.
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why would it even be an outlier
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BRUH
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One 8-A+ feat that resulted in Electro being knocked out vs three consistent 8-C feats
Kinda speaks fo itself
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It's not that vaporizing feats aren't reliable (Otherwise explosion feats would get nuked willy nilly, also universal energy systems are a thing for these kinds of stuff), it's just that it's a massive outlier and becomes even more iffy to scale if electricity is in the mix. Since, well, you know, electricity gets nerfed if it attacks someone who's grounded AKA planted to the floor.
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3 consistent feats that were all ultra causal makes that an outlier?
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Ah alright, that must be what I've been hearing regarding certain vaporization feats then. Makes sense
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Electro outputting the same amount of energy as this is just not consistent.
Yes. Because the gap between this feat and them is larger than the gap between a SR-71 black bird and a house cat's trotting speed
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But the main issue is that it's massively, massively above any of the showings and it pretty much knocked Electro out and it has a different mechanism of attacking: EXPLODING. Which we don't see happening on Rhino because Electro can't even muster up enough juice to go kaboom due to the sheer weight of the guy.
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Somehow I find this hilarious enough to give myself a coughing fit.
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why is the gap being massive from 3 ultra casual feats mean anything
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There's a difference between casual feats that mean nothing as detractions to a peak value and an outlier with its context providing us with valid reasoning as to why it doesn't scale verse-wide
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It... it means a lot. Its why the concept of outlier exists. Also of the three feats, two of them are weapons that can harm people and the last was spread over Rhino's entire body.
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what?
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you act like those weapons cannot just....upscale from that feat. Why does it matter if it was spreading over his body? he took like no damage from that fall at all
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Um....why would the Shocker Gauntlets + Suit or Pumpkin Bomb barrages upscale that....? Electro's feat literally involved an explosion that knocked him out and none of his attacks against his targets are like that again
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Or, its just an outlier showing.
Because the force is being spread over a surface area that's probably 2 or 3 square meters vs a fist that has a surface area a fraction of that size.
Its the bullet vs baseball analogy.
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didn't him short-circuiting is what caused him to be knocked out or sum? don't really remember that feat much, and I'm pretty sure peter proceeds to take the water explosion point blank in the same scene so idk
how is it an outlier when its feats is shown to do causal 8-C feats with nothing above contradicting it? that literally doesn't make sense
doesn't matter anyways, he literally took no damage
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A) It isn't. He was totally fine before that and wasn't short-circuiting at all. Then he fell into the pool and we know the rest
B) The three 8-C feats are all consistent and scalable. The 8-A+ is literally the opposite of all of those things. The difference is night and day
C) Electro and Spider-Man are comparable and can trade attacks, yet, the explosion literally causes Max to lose consciousness. Yes, it did damage
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it being consistently 8-C which mind you those feats are practically effortless with like one 8-a+ feat doesn't make it have any sort of scaling problems apart from electro seemingly getting knocked out by his own blast which came out of him
i wasn't talking about electro, i was talking about the rhinos fall from the daily bugle
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He was on the roof above the pool. Nothing hit him.
- Bombs that injure Spider-Man: 0.308 Tons of TNT
- Eletro's feat: 571 Tons of TNT with ang sizing and 1,500~ Tons of TNT with using IRL swimming pools
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Rhino's fall from the Daily Bugle is 8-C tho. Shocker's blasts are only a tiny smidge lower than that.
At best Spider-Man is only 1.091x weaker than Rhino.
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those same bombs that couldn't hurt goblin yet peter can still injure him and we're still using the said feat. Why is this a point
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I know it's a massive gap, my main issue is the fact that every single 8-c feat called was done literally effortlessly. Still saying the 8-a feat is an outlier just because its higher than 3 causal feats is stupid to me
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A) Peter has tanked three different Pumpkin Bomb barrages with only one of them managing to damage his suit. Totally different
B) This isn't a case of three MCB feats in support of MCB+. Not even CB+ in support of MCB+. This is far more different than you're leading on
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Even if they're done effortlessly, trying to use that to justify scaling to a feat well over a thousand times the usual showings is usually what I'd call pushing it unless we have explicit statement of x percentage power usage when weakened or some shit like that.
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I mean, if nothing really contradicts said feat then I don't see the problem, limiting feats like that just because there are more 8-c feats when nothing ***** up the scaling if we have a feat higher is just useless
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1. My guy, you know this helps my point even further right? how can one goblin bomb damage his suit but goblin himself couldn't but then proceed to tank a multitude of them unscathed but can still be damaged by spiderman with normal blows?
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A) No, it really doesn't. 8-C is a far cry from 8-A+ and I'm simply correcting your misinterpretation of Peter's case of tanking the bombs. Don't twist my words
B) Neither Gobby nor Spider-Man were ever injured by a singular Pumpkin Bomb. That's why the barrage feats are so significant for their durability
Note how I say "barrage" as in "lots of bombs". Not just two or three
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didn't you just say it one goblin bomb damaged his suit, such a feat literally never happened in the series up till that point
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