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I actually wanna hear it from you guys, should I remove the whole boxing rule and let them use whatever or would that make it a stomp in one's favor?
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Anime Boxing Match | Sakura vs Chad
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Tgose are complete different genres of dude. Would've made more sense if you were talking about Byakuya(The Bleach Itachi).
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It would be a stomp in favor of Chad.
He has better mobility because of flight, Power Null and Invulnerability (Sakura cancer wouldn't work and they can only be affected by attack on astral level), etc. and she having higher AP won't help her
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She has higher AP even without her massive amp, and she has mad regen.
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Chakra is comprised of Spiritual and Physical energy. Spiritual energy is accepted to be the soul iirc.
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Yeah but can't counter Bleach level of Spiritual energy.
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Didn't say that.
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Also if this is like a proper boxing match then its a stomp, because 99% of Sakura's arsenal would be illegal including amping with your chakra.
also im pretty sure theres a big weight discrepancy
also im pretty sure theres a big weight discrepancy
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Chad has been hurt by non spiritual things and still has a human body, its just "Supernatural", she just cant attack his soul directly, like most of the people in Bleach can
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Yeah literally. She can't even kick lmfao, this is basically just abuse smh.
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Swap out Sakura for Gaolang so he can show Chad what a real boxer is. Equal stats GG
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Or Kuroki Gensai vs Might Guy.
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Ok, then boxing is set as story only. Their fight is anything goes.
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Or younger any one of those two here against Joe Yabuki lol
Anyway, I think Chad/Sado takes this one FRA
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Do you mean in the context of only boxing or a standard battle? Cuz I've decided to keep this as a normal battle since boxing seems to be one-sided
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Reid Fra
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As I think the main cast of Bleach actually have better adaptation mid-combat than naruto's main cast, I still think Sado takes this (the source for this claim is 100% my ass. If FRA still works, those are the reasons I vote him. If not, imma study the profiles later and come here again)
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chad punches
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sakura is superior in pretty much every way. in boruto era, her unarmed combat skill is rated the same as her healing skill.
she could use chakra scalpels to make chad's arms go limp with a touch and then he's just a punching bag.
the argument for chad's skill due to being world champion boxer is weird, bcs for example, mr. satan is world's martial arts champion... or i mean part 1 sakura would clean sweep the world boxing championship. real/normal humans don't quite stack up against superhumans.
the ''soul damage'' argument is weird, because aside from maybe specific abilities, normal attacks in bleach don't actually harm souls specifically. even if the bodies are made of reishi/spirit energy, however you want to call it, they are still bodies with skin, organs, bones and blood. when they are attacked, they take physical damage. just because the energy was used to create something it doesnt mean the product (like body, water attack, lightning attack, etc...) IS the energy, because whats even the point then, just attack with the energy. its a conversion of energy into something else, same in naruto. when someone tosses a water jutsu at you, you no longer tank chakra itself, you tank the water, because it has literally every property of water. chakra is also soul/spirit in nardoverse and shadow clones are made entirely out of chakra, so anyone who can damage a shadow clone, damages the soul with all their attacks, which means everyone and everything...
but if you're still adamant and wanna go ''nuh-uh!'', well okay then - sakura has taken madara's rod that damages the soul. no sexual inuendo intended.
she could use chakra scalpels to make chad's arms go limp with a touch and then he's just a punching bag.
the argument for chad's skill due to being world champion boxer is weird, bcs for example, mr. satan is world's martial arts champion... or i mean part 1 sakura would clean sweep the world boxing championship. real/normal humans don't quite stack up against superhumans.
the ''soul damage'' argument is weird, because aside from maybe specific abilities, normal attacks in bleach don't actually harm souls specifically. even if the bodies are made of reishi/spirit energy, however you want to call it, they are still bodies with skin, organs, bones and blood. when they are attacked, they take physical damage. just because the energy was used to create something it doesnt mean the product (like body, water attack, lightning attack, etc...) IS the energy, because whats even the point then, just attack with the energy. its a conversion of energy into something else, same in naruto. when someone tosses a water jutsu at you, you no longer tank chakra itself, you tank the water, because it has literally every property of water. chakra is also soul/spirit in nardoverse and shadow clones are made entirely out of chakra, so anyone who can damage a shadow clone, damages the soul with all their attacks, which means everyone and everything...
but if you're still adamant and wanna go ''nuh-uh!'', well okay then - sakura has taken madara's rod that damages the soul. no sexual inuendo intended.
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All would get nullified by Chad superior energy. For Fullbringers and Quinces, spiritual energy empower them spiritually and physically
Every attack affect the soul. Their weapons are Soul weapons, their techniques are aimed at the Soul.
That's why Chad have hax advantage.
In Naruto not Bleach.
Naruto verse isn't Bleach. Bleach deals with 100% spiritual Forces. Both Verse Energy System differs.
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She can't take Chad level of Soul damage
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All would get nullified by Chad superior energy. For Fullbringers and Quinces, spiritual energy empower them spiritually and physically''
same for shinobi in the nardoverse, as you need a powerful body to contain powerful chakra as said by amado and proven by naruto having tanked all of his own chakra after having it absorbed from him.
''Every attack affect the soul. Their weapons are Soul weapons, their techniques are aimed at the Soul.''
chakra is the soul/spirit energy. shadow clones are made entirely out of chakra. any shinobi can pop shadow clones. same thing, means naruto characters damage the soul.
''sakura has taken madara's rod that damages the soul. no sexual inuendo intended.''
why not? she has greater energy output. so, it's the other way around. aside from what any shinobi can do, chakra enhanced strength is not only for the punching power. sakura applies the same principle for speed and defence/durability.
even if we just roll with the ''nuh-uh'', sakura has greater chakra/spirit energy than chad, so she could just keep taking those ''soul damage'' attacks over and over. more so than chad can take hers thats for sure.
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Then why is their Physicals greater than their Jutsu for Naruto verse?
You assume Naruto characters attack or interact with Soul when the only ones with that ability are Rinnegan Users, Sharigan Users, Jinchuriki and Otsutsukis. But in Bleach, fodder Shinigamis can do that.
You are also forgetting Chad has better mobility than Sakura.
100% Spiritual Energy vs 50% Spiritual Energy.
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''You assume Naruto characters attack or interact with Soul when the only ones with that ability are Rinnegan Users, Sharigan Users, Jinchuriki and Otsutsukis. But in Bleach, fodder Shinigamis can do that.''
my point was that by using the same logic that is used for that purpose for bleach, it would apply for nardoverse via shadow clone example. arrancars, shinigamis, etc... despite whatever they might be and how they are made/created, they still possess physical bodies with physical presence and physical anatomy. in battles, they die from physical wounds/injuries, well at least the vast majority of the time. but if you're referring to the shinigami sending souls to the soul society thing, well then its irrelevant in combat. either way, chad has none of that anyway.
''You are also forgetting Chad has better mobility than Sakura.''
i'm not forgetting it, its just not a big deal. he can walk on air, which means he can make a distance between them, but that would present him with another problem, kind of. sakura could reach him through any nearby surfaces or just by ''jump good''. ofc its not ideal and chad does have mobility in that sense, but sakura is more agile. also, chad could go beyond sakura's reach and spam his beams, but ultimately he'd lose by doing that one way or another because of two things.
1. speed, is still essentially distance over time. if you increase the distance while speed remains the same, it means you increase the time for sakura to react and dodge, so overall sakura would still dodge most of them and chad would just exhaust himself. still, can sakura throw kunais and shuriken at range, summon katsuyu. the kunai can be coated in poison, so it would only take a scratch. or if chad retreats upwards just to catch his breath or something, sakura can use healing jutsu on herself to recover, but much better.
2. even if sakura, by some miracle, doesnt dodge a single one. her defence/chakra enhancements is still greater, so chad would tire out spamming them before he takes out sakura. add sakura's seal into the mix and that pretty much seals the deal then and there. ba dum tss...
''100% Spiritual Energy vs 50% Spiritual Energy.''
if you wanna go strictly by that, well, it's still greater than chad's.
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You are misunderstanding something here. Everyone in Bleach besides the humans are souls, there is no “physical body” with “physical anatomies”. The Konso BFR is also not what anyone is taking about when they refer to Bleach characters hitting the soul with their techniques, they are referring to the fact that spiritual energy/pressure affects the soul whether or not the soul is just a soul or if it is in a physical body.
Example, Yammy’s soul crush (the passive release of his spiritual energy) worked on Tatsuki and was going to destroy her soul even though she is a human. Chad punching people carries the same type of energy which will kill people who don’t resist it by default.
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''carries the same type of energy, therefore...'' is nonsensical. its the same as saying that rinnegan or any other soul ability in nardoverse carries chakra. sakura's punches carry the same type of energy (chakra), therefore... no. just because theres an ability that affects the soul, doesnt mean every ability in the very that uses the same energy, attack the soul. if that was the case, everyone in almost every supernatural verse would attack the soul.
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Stop just … opening your mouth to disagree and actually pay attention to what is being explained to you. Everyone in Bleach specifically attacks with their spiritual energy/pressure or wraps it around something else to attack with it. Hollows corrode souls upon contact with their energy unless it is resisted and can rip souls out of bodies just because, Shinigami are verbatim stated to use reiatsu to attack others, Visoreds and Arrancars do both of the previously mentioned things, Quincy attack with reishi/souls that are amped by their own energy, Fullbringers directly manipulate souls with their own energy to attack other souls etc. Chad’s in particular is explicitly noted to be like Hollow reiatsu.
Other verses are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Only Bleach matters here and Bleach does soul hax with every single attack unless it is stated to not have any. Take a look at literally any vs thread involving Bleach on this forum and you’d know that we have accepted what I’m saying to be the case for around half a decade or more at this point.
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Yeah, Naruto do have Soul manipulation but not on Bleach level.
They don't. They are SOULS. They are Spiritual Bodies not Physical Bodies. They need a Gigai to have a physical body.
Jump, reaching nearby surface? When Chad can just go higher in the sky.
Exhaust himself? Once again, you under estimate Chad. Weaker characters than Chad can fight for days without rest or food
But can't protect her soul from Chad level of damage or rather heal her soul.
Am not restricting anything. I am just saying Bleach is 100% Spiritual energy and Naruto might be 50% or less (because of the remaining Mental and Physical energy) Spiritual energy.
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''They don't. They are SOULS. They are Spiritual Bodies not Physical Bodies. They need a Gigai to have a physical body.''
and yet they bleed, bones break, have organ failures, etc... they made from reishi, like everything in soul society, but bricks still have every single quality of bricks, bodies have every single quality of bodies.
''Exhaust himself? Once again, you under estimate Chad. Weaker characters than Chad can fight for days without rest or food''
also, superior characters have shown to exhaust themselves way way faster during fights. training is different from spamming full power beams in quick succession.
''But can't protect her soul from Chad level of damage or rather heal her soul.''
can do both. first of all, sakura has powerful spiritual energy/chakra to resist the whatever ''damages the soul'' argument you wanna go with as the first post in this thread shows that sakura is nearly 3 times more powerful. second, sakura's seal massively boosts her and with it, she was able to easily regen from madara's rod, that attacks the soul. so yeah, she can dodge, withstand, regenerate (if needed).
the only advantage chad has is that he can walk on air. so, the matchup certainly isnt to his advantage.
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Is all of this on her profile under soul manipulation and resistance to it?
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no, but my point is that how the bleach and soul damage argument works and sakura fits the criteria for it.
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A non argument. They are souls so anything that can do anything to them requires soul manip.
They get tired from getting injured as their spiritual energy = their life force. This Chad scales above the likes of FKT Ichigo who has the spiritual energy to fight for three months straight and is a third of Isshin who, even after getting the crap kicked out of himself by Chrysalis Aizen and being weakened as a result, could still perform a feat that numerous Shinigami can only do for a brief period of time for three months straight as well. Chad is perfectly fine here in regards to stamina when a weaker version of himself was getting sandbagged by Bankai Renji for days and an even weaker Chad had comparable stamina to an early Uryu who specifically had to shoot arrows for a week straight. Uryu suffers recoil from shooting his arrows which were shown to damage him since his introduction.
Chakra doesn’t give resistance to soul hax. You aren’t the first to try the argument, you won’t be the last, and you won’t succeed with it. It’s been brought up many times over the years and has been rejected every time for a reason.
For example, Nasuverse mana gives its characters with mana resistance to magecraft by default. This however, doesn’t mean that if they fought against a SDS or FT character who had a bunch of magic energy, either of the latter would get resistance to Nasuverse magecraft just for having magic energy.
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