Analytical prediction should have it’s own page

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Permission from @Qawsedf234 to make this.

analytical prediction should have it’s own page instead of being combined with Precognition. This is because precognition is the ability to see into the future so you can know what your opponent is going to do next.

while analytical prediction is just simply predicting what your opponent is going to do next by simply watching their movements.

It’s also because analytical prediction has it’s own varieties too.


Note: this idea was originally @ElajRuengies idea.

Spoiler: Proof

He’s busy At the movement right now so I’m doing this for him. (I told @Qawsedf234 about it and he told me I have permission to make this in the staff discussions, as shown in the link at the top)

 

[KLOL506]

AFAIK it was rejected by prior staff which consisted of Promestein, DDM and co., you might want to contact DT, AKM, DDM, Elizhaa and the other big league staff for this.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

AFAIK it was rejected by prior staff which consisted of Promestein, DDM and co., you might want to contact DT, AKM, DDM, Elizhaa and the other big league staff for this.

Could you ping them here please?

(I’m not a staff member and uh pinging is a little faster)

thanks

 

[Dalesean027]

Could you ping them here please?

(I’m not a staff member and uh pinging is a little faster)

thanks

I can

@DarkDragonMedeus @Promestein @AKM sama @DontTalkDT @Elizhaa @Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu @Agnaa @Abstractions
@Qawsedf234 @Armorchompy @ElajRuengies

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I can

@DarkDragonMedeus @Promestein @AKM sama @DontTalkDT @Elizhaa @Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu @Agnaa @Abstractions
@Qawsedf234

Mind pinging @ElajRuengies as well.

not to immediately bring him here but to let him know about so he can explain a little more about why it should be a separate page.

After all it was his idea so let’s hear from him as well

 

[KLOL506]

Tag Armorchompy as well.

 

[Dalesean027]

Tag Armorchompy as well.

Mind pinging @ElajRuengies as well.

not to immediately bring him here but to let him know about so he can explain a little more about why it should be a separate page.

After all it was his idea so let’s hear from him as well

Done

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Done

Thanks man, your the best

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I can

@DarkDragonMedeus @Promestein @AKM sama @DontTalkDT @Elizhaa @Damage3245 @Mr._Bambu @Agnaa @Abstractions
@Qawsedf234 @Armorchompy @ElajRuengies

Analytical Prediction

vsbattles.fandom.com

made a sandbox for it

Body Language Analysis

The power to intuitively read others' body language and anticipate their actions. Sub-power of Body Language Manipulation and Linguistics Mastery. Lesser version of Initial Movement Sense. Body Reading Ability Movement Study NVC/Nonverbal Communication Reflex Analysis The user can intuitively...

powerlisting.fandom.com

also planning to use this image from the superpower wiki for the page.


@Dalesean027

i want to avoid plagiarism but uh just to exactly sure what "analytical prediction is"

i used this and this https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Body_Language_Analysis

Attack Prediction

The power to predict and interpret others' attacks. Sub-power of Attack Manipulation, Combat Perception, Enhanced Reflexes and Causality Perception. Opposite of Defense Prediction. Analytical Prediction Combat Clairvoyance Kenbunshoku/Mantra/Observation Haki (One Piece) Preflex The user can...

powerlisting.fandom.com

to help me figure it out (if you get what i mean, i didn't copy anything from there, just wanted to make sure if there any powers on superpower wiki that best fit the description so i know what to write in my summary, Not plagiarizing obviously) is it understandable?

 

[Dalesean027]

The last one is precongnition the rest are fine as what you're proposing to be analytical prediction

Like the last one literally says this

"King Crimson has already seen through it. Your movements in the future. The trajectory of your movements in the future."

Of this is ro be taken literally then yeah thats precog

 

[DontTalkDT]

We had an analytic prediction page for a time, but then it was fused back into precog. Don't think I was very involved in that, does anybody remember the thread?

 

[Promestein]

I think they should stay one page. They're both different ways of predicting the future and at higher levels Analytical Prediction is functionally the same aside from minor details. It's not the job of pages to account for minor details and character's variations in powers, so one page. That's my take and I'll stand by it.

 

[LordTracer]

I feel like they can stay one page, but the Precog page should actually acknowledge the existence of Analytical Prediction, because it doesn’t atm.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I feel like they can stay one page, but the Precog page should actually acknowledge the existence of Analytical Prediction, because it doesn’t atm.

Agreed.

 

[Armorchompy]

Tag Armorchompy as well.

Appreciate it.

I don't feel too strongly about this topic, but I found it a bit odd when the page was deleted. Even if a page isn't made it should probably be listed under Information Analysis rather than Precognition.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

let @ElajRuengies get a chance to speak as well, it was his idea after all

 

[Flashlight237]

Got Celestial Pegasus' permission to post here.

Okay, so what we're looking at here is how to handle Analytical Prediction. So the issue lies in whether to split it from precognition or not. Now, the deal is analytical prediction focuses on being able to predict an outcome and working around, like in the case of Deku from My Hero Academia, or being able to create an ideal outcome from the world around you, as in the case with TARI from Meta Runner, or even predicting something while in combat like Hit with his time skip.

I feel there are ways in which analytical prediction and precognition are similar (they both rely on predicting and working around the future) and different (one relies on applying the immediate future to the now while the other relies on the broad spectrum of the future). As such, I think the best way to handle analytical prediction and precognition is to keep it within precognition, BUT with the caveat that it should be consider a type of precognition, and we have plenty of articles that splits a certain broad ability (purification, acausality, underwater breathing), so I don't see how this wouldn't be possible. An explanation for how analytical prediction works would be tailored to the term itself. Something like this.:

Analytical Prediction - While analytical prediction isn't truly precognition, it has similarities to precognition. And while precognition is a broad-spectrum ability that can either be precise or vague and may not always be combat-applicable (a good example of non-combat applicable precog is Dawn from Total Drama), analytical prediction revolves around the immediate future and thus would always be combat applicable. This ability can be used to determine outcomes from the opponent (ex. Deku's analytical prediction and Hit's Time Skip) or from the environment around them (ex. Tari from Meta Runner).

I think that works.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah, it should be like how we do our Self-Sustenance page. With different types of precog being listed. So as an example: Body Reading, Prediction, Passive Future Sight and Active Future site

 

[Flashlight237]

Yeah, it should be like how we do our Self-Sustenance page. With different types of precog being listed. So as an example: Body Reading, Prediction, Passive Future Sight and Active Future site

Yeah, I can agree with that. It's like I said, splitting into types is an easy compromise for when something can work in different ways and be the same broad-scale ability.

 

[LordTracer]

Yeah, it should be like how we do our Self-Sustenance page. With different types of precog being listed. So as an example: Body Reading, Prediction, Passive Future Sight and Active Future site

100% agreed.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

100% agreed.

Does that mean we need to fix a lot of profiles with precog on them to specify which type it is

 

[Flashlight237]

Does that mean we need to fix a lot of profiles with precog on them to specify which type it is

More than likely with how big of a deal precog is.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yeah, it should be like how we do our Self-Sustenance page. With different types of precog being listed. So as an example: Body Reading, Prediction, Passive Future Sight and Active Future site

I agree with this.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

More than likely with how big of a deal precog is.

Well I’m glad we brought this up.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Does that mean we need to fix a lot of profiles with precog on them to specify which type it is

Yeah, but it is what it is

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yeah, but it is what it is

Can we bring @ElajRuengies here?

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah, it should be like how we do our Self-Sustenance page. With different types of precog being listed. So as an example: Body Reading, Prediction, Passive Future Sight and Active Future site

This seems fine.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah, it should be like how we do our Self-Sustenance page. With different types of precog being listed. So as an example: Body Reading, Prediction, Passive Future Sight and Active Future site

Where would dream-based precog be according to this?

 

[ImmortalDread]

The draft needs obviously a re-work, but I unfortunately don't know much about the ability, but I would help in this matter if someone provide me information or background about the ability.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah, but it is what it is

Meh, just find out what kind it is and adjust accordingly. It's not like we're removing the feats at all, just adding a Precog type. Shouldn't need a CRT TBF.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't think we really need types for everything. It's fine to just say "Hey Analytical Prediction is also a thing" on the profile and let that cover it without forcing ourselved to go through thousands of profiles to specify what type it is.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'd like to hear @ElajRuengies opinion on this, as he was the one who proposed this in a thread I was involved in.

 

[Dalesean027]

I don't think we really need types for everything. It's fine to just say "Hey Analytical Prediction is also a thing" on the profile and let that cover it without forcing ourselved to go through thousands of profiles to specify what type it is.

Agreed

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I'd like to hear @ElajRuengies opinion on this, as he was the one who proposed this in a thread I was involved in.

Yeah someone ping him again.

I’d like to see what he thinks

 

[ElajRuengies]

Alright fine since I guess I'm responsible for this-

Basically my argument for Analytical Prediction having it's own page was due to how while it was treated as a sub-type of Precognition, 1. It doesn't involve seeing the future so it just isn't Precognition, and 2. There are enough sub-types of Analytical Prediction to give it a page of it's own. Here are the types I can think of right off the bat-

Trajectory Prediction: The ability to extrapolate the future path of an object based on it's speed and direction relative to oneself, possibly even taking into account acceleration and/or curved paths. Usually reliant on eyesight, although this can be done with very acute hearing or touch as well. When used to avoid linearly traveling projectiles far faster than oneself, this is called Aim Dodging.

Body Language Prediction: The ability to determine one's future actions based on microexpressions, the tensing of specific muscles, subtle changes in breathing, and the like. Characters using some kind of internal spiritual energy may have their future moves given away by changes in this too.

Behavioral Prediction: The ability to determine an opponent's future actions based on acculmulated knowledge of their past actions, habits, personality, and similar traits. What the Batman Gambit requires.

• "I dodged his punch by immediately calculating the future path of his fist upon seeing his arm begin to accelerate." is Trajectory Prediction
• "I dodged his punch by noticing how he stepped his foot back, and ducked out of the way of the area he was shifting his weight over." is Body Language Prediction
• "I dodged his punch by realizing that he always goes for a straight with his right arm whenever he gets close enough to his opponents in past matches." is Behavioral Prediction

None of these kinds of Analytical Prediction, or "Precognition" involve seeing the Future- Trajectory and Body Language Prediction involve analyzing the Present, while Behavioral Prediction involves analyzing the Past- and having resistance to one doesn't necessarily meaning having resistance to the other two. Additionally, it's possible if not common for characters to utilize all three kinds of Analytical Prediction.

All of this nuance is lost in Analytical Prediction's current form- as a subtype of Precognition that isn't even properly listed on the page.

 

[KLOL506]

Alright fine since I guess I'm responsible for this-

Basically my argument for Analytical Prediction having it's own page was due to how while it was treated as a sub-type of Precognition, 1. It doesn't involve seeing the future so it just isn't Precognition, and 2. There are enough sub-types of Analytical Prediction to give it a page of it's own. Here are the types I can think of right off the bat-

Trajectory Prediction: The ability to extrapolate the future path of an object based on it's speed and direction relative to oneself, possibly even taking into account acceleration and/or curved paths. Usually reliant on eyesight, although this can be done with very acute hearing or touch as well. When used to avoid linearly traveling projectiles far faster than oneself, this is called Aim Dodging.

Body Language Prediction: The ability to determine one's future actions based on microexpressions, the tensing of specific muscles, subtle changes in breathing, and the like. Characters using kind of internal spiritual energy may have their future moves given away by changes in this too.

Behavioral Prediction: The ability to determine an opponent's future actions based on acculmulated knowledge of their past actions, habits, personality, and similar traits. What the Batman Gambit requires.

• "I dodged his punch by immediately calculating the future path of his fist upon seeing his arm begin to accelerate." is Trajectory Prediction
• "I dodged his punch by noticing how he stepped his foot back, and ducked out of the way of the area he was shifting his weight over." is Body Language Prediction
• "I dodged his punch by realizing that he always goes for a straight with his right arm whenever he gets close enough to his opponents in past matches." is Behavioral Prediction

None of these kinds of Analytical Prediction, or "Precognition" involve seeing the Future- Trajectory and Body Language Prediction involve analyzing the Present, while Behavioral Prediction involves analying the Past- and having resistance to one doesn't necessarily meaning having resistance to the other two. Additionally, it's possible if not common for characters to utilize all three kinds of Analytical Prediction.

All of this nuance is lost in Analytical Prediction's current form- as a subtype of Precognition.

@Qawsedf234 @Flashlight237 @Promestein

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I feel like they can stay one page, but the Precog page should actually acknowledge the existence of Analytical Prediction, because it doesn’t atm.

I agree with this

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah agreed, never felt right with it being deleting

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Qawsedf234 @Flashlight237 @Promestein

imo its perfect. Just add a section about Precognition and just edit the page with those examples.

 

[KLOL506]

imo its perfect. Just add a section about Precognition and just edit the page with those examples.

Bruh you just destroyed his plans for making it a separate page like Benzema destroyed Barca today, have some kindness in your heart