All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

No, Vegeta identifying Baby as a Tuffle does not confirm that the events of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans—the "original story" (オリジナルストーリー), the "side story" (外伝), the "game-original story" (ゲームオリジナルストーリー)—took place. nO oNe kNoWs how Vegeta can identify Tuffle Ki.

Evidently, though, encountering Dr. Lychee, the ghost, is not the explanation.
In fact, I think Goku was struggling to locate Lychee.

Point being? Doesn't mean they didn't sense him at the end. And evidently Hatchijack had bits of Tuffle ki.

Sorry to tell you this, but you know it yourself you don't have a better explanation for this. Doesn't help that the Tuffle race thingy is an exclusive Toei product, both the Hatchijack's special and DBGT being their product.

The Shamoians or the Litts? Because the Litts exist in the original story.
And the Shamoians never appear again.
And, yes, obviously, the Z movie based upon the Z anime utilizes characters and concepts originating in the Z anime.

Yes, and the Shamos are shown with a halo, dead, which correlates with the events of the movie where Broly exterminates most of them. Unless you can proof those are just a cameo, it's a Ocam razor's argument coming from your part.

And the Saiyan gang being in base form in the first Broly movie is also nitpicking at it's finest. Saiyans can depower themselves, you know? They kept the FP SSJ transformations before the Cell games, yes, but that doesn't mean he needs to be in that form all the time 24/7, breaks exist you know?, Saiyans do actually need to focus on their ki to keep their transformations active.

Is that ever confirmed?

Let me reverse the question, is it ever confirmed is not Tapion's sword?

Becouse, most of the evidences do points out Warth of the dragon being canon, like, it's not even a debate, it's a fact. Doesn't have any contradictions and was one of the first movies we accepted.

The burden proof is on you. Or Goku just magically knows the dragon fist in GT?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

And evidently Hatchijack had bits of Tuffle ki.

"Evidently"? Hatchiyack is a machine, harnessing the "hate energy" of the Tuffles. Did their grudges carry Tuffle DNA?

Doesn't help that the Tuffle race thingy is an exclusive Toei product.

And originated in the Dragon Ball Z TV anime, not in the Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans story.

I'll concede, though. Evidently, the history of the Saiyans and Tuffles depicted in episode 27 of GT and described in the Perfect Files matches up perfectly with their history depicted in Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, which is evidence that I have no real way of arguing against.

They kept the FP SSJ transformations before the Cell games, yes, but that doesn't mean he needs to be in that form all the time 24/7, breaks exist you know?, Saiyans do actually need to focus on their ki to keep their transformations active.

An irrelevant point to even respond to, but I'm, like, 100% certain that their goal was to be Super Saiyans 24/7.

Let me reverse the question, is it ever confirmed is not Tapion's sword?

Becouse, most of the evidences do points out Warth of the dragon being canon

The only evidence supporting Wrath of the Dragon being canon is: (1) the film does not not fit within the timeline, and (2) Goku uses the Dragon Fist; let's be honest, the sword argument is completely and utterly irrelevant because not only does Trunks's sword only appear in the series opening, but the sword is different.

Or Goku just magically knows the dragon fist in GT?

Yes? He created the technique in GT.
Did you read the translation underneath the image?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Huh, now I'm actually interested in indexing Hatchiyack. The only genuine obstacles are the fact that I can't locate a transcript of the original Japanese dialogue (only the OVA remake's transcript is readily available), and that a lot of the story's promotional material is tied to a game released for the Playdia and the Famicom.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Which is funny because terms like "official history" (正史 seishi; 1, 2, 3), and "official sequel" (正統続編 seitō zokuhen), and "source material" (原作 gensaku, lit. original work; 1, 2), and "official participation" (正式参加 seishiki sanka), and "story" (物語 monogatari; i.e., in regards to an expansive narrative), etc. are frequently used by supplementary and promotional material, and works are often described as either "original [stories]" (オリジナルストーリー orijinaru sutōrī), "linked to [the original story]" or "[continuations] of the manga's serialization", within "parallel [worlds]" (平行世界 heikō sekai; or パラレルワールド parareru wārudo) or "completely different [worlds]" (完全な別世界 kanzen na bessekai), "not [synchronizing]" (時間軸がシンクロしない jikanjiku ga shinkuro shinai), or "unique to [themselves]".

Talking with actual Japanese people, it's clear that they don’t make as big a deal about "canon" as many in the West do. For example, it has never officially happened that an author or media outlet in Japan declared “only the manga is canon.” That mindset mostly comes from Western fans. The word canon in the way we use it doesn’t even exist in the Japanese language in the same sense.

Most mangaka are actually happy when their work gets further adaptations, and many of them even reference those adaptations. Toyotaro, for instance, has recently included characters in the manga who originally appeared only in filler.

If you're wondering, "But what about inconsistencies?" it's actually quite funny, because most Japanese fans or media would simply say something like “It happened,” or “It somehow works anyway.” They genuinely don’t care about contradictions as much as Western fans do. The obsession with a strict "canon" is largely a Western purist concept.

Even the recent Dragon Ball Daima anime supports this perspective. Toriyama was heavily involved in its production, yet didn’t bother reconciling every continuity detail. That’s because Dragon Ball is seen as a large, flexible universe where many stories coexist. As long as they are officially licensed or branded, they are considered part of the franchise.

 

[RedReaper616]

On an only semi-related note, here’s a pretty interesting interview with Toriyama’s most prominent Editors.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

"Evidently"? Hatchiyack is a machine, harnessing the "hate energy" of the Tuffles. Did their grudges carry Tuffle DNA?

yeah, but Hatchijack had an energy signature that could be sensed aswell

And originated in the Dragon Ball Z TV anime, not in the Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans story.

I'll concede, though. Evidently, the history of the Saiyans and Tuffles depicted in episode 27 of GT and described in the Perfect Files matches up perfectly with their history depicted in Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, which is evidence that I have no real way of arguing against.

fine

An irrelevant point to even respond to, but I'm, like, 100% certain that their goal was to be Super Saiyans 24/7.

I know, I just wanted to point out how that one can fit in, almost entirely with very minor contradictions such as the Cooler and Hildegarn thingy

The only evidence supporting Wrath of the Dragon being canon is: (1) the film does not not fit within the timeline, and (2) Goku uses the Dragon Fist; let's be honest, the sword argument is completely and utterly irrelevant because not only does Trunks's sword only appear in the series opening, but the sword is different.

Trunks sword looking different could be an artistic choice, and there isnt other explanation as of why he has it other than a headcanon.

Yes? He created the technique in GT.
Did you read the translation underneath the image?

Yes and nice, doesnt really disprove warth of the dragon from being canon to the anime. If anything, guides can contradict themselves more often than not, and you know primary canon takes precedence over supplementary material. In this case it doesnt have much bearing with the show in question.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

On an only semi-related note, here’s a pretty interesting interview with Toriyama’s most prominent Editors.

where can i read the full picture?

 

[RedReaper616]

where can i read the full picture?

The whole thread is right there on Twitter. It’s the second of 3 threads.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

The whole thread is right there on Twitter. It’s the second of 3 threads.

oke thanks

 

[StarShooter80]

On an only semi-related note, here’s a pretty interesting interview with Toriyama’s most prominent Editors.

Woah Shueisha is ******* terrible

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Woah Shueisha is ******* terrible

They will never let the dbs anime return, atleast not for a couple of years.

So, they better do something while the hype for the DBS Anime awaits, like a Dragon Ball xenoverse series, Dragon Ball AF, etc

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Trunks sword looking different could be an artistic choice, and there isnt other explanation as of why he has it other than a headcanon.

Why is an explanation even needed? Again, need I remind you, the sword with the golden hilt Trunks brandishes in exactly one (1) shot in the series opening does not appear in the series itself once. Never is Trunks ever depicted wielding a sword of any shape, size, or color; nor is he ever referencing or alluding to a sword he owns; nor is he ever even suggested to be a swordsmanship of any level of ability. During the events of GT, Trunks and swords never intersect. In fact, I do not even believe the sword is brought up in the Chōzenshū.

yes and nice, doesnt really disprove warth of the dragon from being canon to the anime.

Your entire argument is founded upon the idea that Tapion's sword and the Dragon Fist are carried over from Wrath of the Dragon. Tapion's sword does not appear in GT, Trunks never uses a sword during the events of GT, and Chōzenshū 3 confirms Goku developed and first used the Dragon Fist against Super 17 in GT.

If anything, guides can contradict themselves more often than not, and you know primary canon takes precedence over supplementary material.

Nothing in the source material implies Goku did not develop and first use the Dragon Fist against Super 17. Why is Goku ad libbing a technique such a far-fetched idea to you? He has improvised new moves before; say, for example, the Feet Kamehameha. In fact, when Goku first uses the Dragon Fist, he does not unleash forth a dragon made from energy which ensnares its target and then explodes, like against Hirudegarn in Wrath of the Dragon; he simply charges straight through Super 17, as he once did against King Piccolo, with the image of a dragon guiding him as he unleashes his full power.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

They will never let the dbs anime return, atleast not for a couple of years.

So, they better do something while the hype for the DBS Anime awaits, like a Dragon Ball xenoverse series, Dragon Ball AF, etc

Toei Animation produces the anime. Shueisha does not even have the audiovisual rights to the franchise; Capsule Corp Tokyo manages the audiovisual rights.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Toei Animation produces the anime. Shueisha does not even have the audiovisual rights to the franchise; Capsule Corp Tokyo manages the audiovisual rights.

I thought the problem was that Akio had a fight with Sueshia becouse they own the rights of the DBS canon and Toei can't start the anime production becouse of that.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I wonder if I can use Inverse Square Law on 5-B GBE to calculate the Final Flash or Big Bang Attack.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

DBS fans are nervous because there is no sequel to DBS until today anime

 

[StarShooter80]

DBS fans are nervous because there is no sequel to DBS until today anime

We are not getting a sequel anytime soon lol

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I wanted dbs manga

 

[Jinsama]

Some UG martial arts sites back then req. some knowledge before you could join them like break down of fighters technique in the sequence(s) and looking at his punching mechanics and execution/application of said techniques. After that it was changed to invinite only with the risk that both could be banned, so you had to be careful when inviting.

One my online-friends who used to be in the same hardcore server like me, made the joke of only letting guys in if they pass the eye test of dragonball. Like for brothers christ, they cant even see the simplest things and you want a deeper break down? Pretty much every single site would die.

Fun times ... god do I miss that sh*t.

Side note: No one has to be a master of anything, it makes battleboarding boring but its just funny seeing them "martial arts experts" takes when it comes to Goku at least dont act like pseudo intellectual dicks.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I had never even thought to connect the dots, but I just now realized that, to my knowledge, the only times a fighter's aura has been explicitly observed by others were when: (1) a Super Saiyan (Goku) and a Bio-Android consisting of Saiyan DNA with power naturally rivalling Super Saiyans and an aura illustrated identically to the Super Saiyan's began "emitting flames"; (2) when a Super Saiyan (Goku) illuminated the Dark Planet with his naturally radiated light energy; and (3) when Goku completed the Super Saiyan Blue form, sealing its energy inside of his body, and later harnessed its energy into his fist, returning the aura.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

We are not getting a sequel anytime soon lol

I see

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Null dowgrade

Cell cannot escape baseline yet! (Dragon Ball)

Introduction Currently, our understanding of Super Perfect Cell's ability to destroy the solar system is based upon the hypothetical destruction of the solar system depicted by Dragon Ball Kai: Ultimate Butōden, a Japan-only Nintendo DS game released in 2011 and based on the then-ongoing Dragon...

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[Infinite9Luck]

Toyotaro did shown goku, vegeta, broly etc. in that new chapter cover, but there’s still no announcement for the next manga arc.

 

[Spinoirr]

Toyotaro did shown goku, vegeta, broly etc. in that new chapter cover, but there’s still no announcement for the next manga arc.

That's Volume 24

 

[Jinsama]

Toriyama is such a a down to earth guy. I alredy knew that thanks newer interviews but it seems he was always like that.

What he achieved in one lifetime is all time great stuff.

I hope we get a new dragonball film with jackie chan ... dragonball + jackie chan = peak

 

[Huesito88]

I hope we get a new dragonball film with jackie chan ... dragonball + jackie chan = peak

A live action movie?

 

[Jinsama]

Another when will jinsama shut the hell up post

So ...expierence gets both overrated and underrated but angels and the grand priest give me "holyshit" vibes. I have a feeling once you reach the status of Whis or maybe Grand priest you will passively improve and fine-tune pretty much everything that has to do with fighting. It could be the same case as Beerus "my mind is always on destruction". Angels case could be similiar, they get better without doing anything.

Another thing, the way DB handles UI is a bit different compared to many, many verses (this wont be a rant, dont worry) since its the pinnacle of fighting and not a small part of a big picture, it friggin encompass the entire picture or better said everything that comes with fighting.

What am i trying to say? Im looking at my man Broly. Brolys adapting skills are one part of fighting and my gut tells me UI scales above Brolys talent. The only question is, when does this tasty stuff kick in? Since Goku is still a bottom UI user, maybe once he reaches Whis UI level?

Toriyama/Toyotaro never gave me "they spent to much time on battleboarding sites" vibes but I hope they do something incredible with the higher levels or complete mastery of the UI.

A live action movie?

book it and take my money

 

[Huesito88]

Toriyama/Toyotaro never gave me "they spent to much time on battleboarding sites" vibes but I hope they do something incredible with the higher levels or complete mastery of the UI.

Ssj5 Goku (Ssj4 + Ultra instinct)?

 

[StekFence]

Dragon ball evolution Z, take it or leave it

 

[Huesito88]

Dragon ball evolution Z, take it or leave it

They're going to need to Retcon a lot of things, and also make sure they hire a actual good director

 

[StekFence]

Make it a superhero movie about Gohan using his powers as the great saiyaman

 

[Jinsama]

Ssj5 Goku (Ssj4 + Ultra instinct)?

Ultra Instinct destroyed the internet and filled entire stadiums

SSJ 5 smashs us to a higher dimension without return

Dragon ball evolution Z, take it or leave it

Add this banger here and im ready to spent my money

Dragonball + Jackie chan + this banger > lord of the rings

 

[StekFence]

Ultra Instinct destroyed the internet and filled entire stadiums

SSJ 5 smashs us to a higher dimension without return

Unironically a real possibility, yet another vegeta L

 

[Jinsama]

Unironically a real possibility, yet another vegeta L

Vegeta got Bulma, hes always been the real G and winner

 

[Huesito88]

Can't wait for "5 cm taller Black Frieza" vs "Ssj5 Goku"

 

[Jinsama]

guys tell me, whats more impressive

someone keeping up against a mind reader thanks to superior speed

or mr. satan dodging kid buus slap?

 

[Jinsama]

Can't wait for "5 cm taller Black Frieza" vs "Ssj5 Goku"

lets be real

black frieza was alpha as hell

 

[StekFence]

guys tell me, whats more impressive

someone keeping up against a mind reader thanks to superior speed

or mr. satan dodging kid buus slap?

~~only ones an outlier~~

 

[Omegabronic]

guys tell me, whats more impressive

someone keeping up against a mind reader thanks to superior speed

or mr. satan dodging kid buus slap?

How dare you suggest anyone is above our CHAMPION, contrary to Goku, he needs no TRICKS

ALL HAIL SATAN

 

[Huesito88]

How dare you suggest anyone is above our CHAMPION, contrary to Goku, he needs no TRICKS

ALL HAIL SATAN

ALL HAIL SATAN