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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Alexander said:
first of all, shenron is not omniscient, the profile says his intelligence is average, second of all, the question how to find the super dragon ball in universe 6, and Shenron said that he can't, because he is not that mighty (aka, he is not that powerful)and the universe is very vast, he never even says that the universe does not have a center, just that it is BIG, man please.
again, two things can be true, you can say that the earth is big from our perspective, that does not mean the earth is a never ending thing.

SEE THE SCENE, Jaco tells Bulma that the universe is very big, he does not deny that the universe has a center or edge, he tells her that the universe is still big, big enough to hard to find something ON THE CENTER of the universe.


Except how the hell could the future version build a time machine if he had no knowledge? Again, future Bulma, built a time machine, with few resources, the Bulma from the present not being able to do it is just because of time.

how did bulma from the future build the time machine if she also didn't have notes?

could you show me the part where Jaco said that Bulma is wrong about the universe having a center?
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Bring evidence that there is a center of the Universe without Bulma's guesswork?
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Bring evidence that there is a center of the Universe without Bulma's guesswork?
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Bring me evidence from other people contradicting the idea that the universe has no center, and that it is not with the "the universe is very vast"
that does not contradict what Bulma says, that just clarifying that "hey, the universe is still big"
 
Alexander said:
man, your arguments are literraly not reading the scene, when did Shenron said the universe had no center?when did Jaco said that Bulma was wrong about the universe having a center?
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Bulma is not a reliable source when it comes to the universe, if a Kaioshin or even Whis had spoken clearly this would be a fact, but it is not.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Bulma is not a reliable source when it comes to the universe, if a Kaioshin or even Whis had spoken clearly this would be a fact, but it is not.
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and when did they say that the universe is infinite?when did they do it?In fact, wasn't Whis supposed to have specifically said that he has a maximum speed he can go? And even with that, it takes him a long time to travel across the universe
 
Alexander said:
Bring me evidence from other people contradicting the idea that the universe has no center, and that it is not with the "the universe is very vast"
that does not contradict what Bulma says, that just clarifying that "hey, the universe is still big"
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I already brought Jaco and Sheron who contain knowledge about the universe even more than Bulma herself who only went to Namek once in her life, now bring real evidence of there being a center without Bulma's crazy guesswork, shall we?
 
Alexander said:
and when did they say that the universe is infinite?when did they do it?In fact, wasn't Whis supposed to have specifically said that he has a maximum speed he can go? And even with that, it takes him a long time to travel across the universe
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It was said in every databook that Akira Toriyama allowed and worked on them, even a whole page about chōzenshū which is the latest guide that has been updated until the battle of the gods saga has an update about the universe being infinite, Whis traveling for a few minutes doesn't disprove the Universe being infinite.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I already brought Jaco and Sheron who contain knowledge about the universe even more than Bulma herself who only went to Namek once in her life, now bring real evidence of there being a center without Bulma's crazy guesswork, shall we?
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now bring me where did they say that the universe does not have a center or edge?when they only said that the universe was big
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
It was said in every databook that Akira Toriyama allowed and worked on them, even a whole page about chōzenshū which is the latest guide that has been updated until the battle of the gods saga has an update about the universe being infinite, Whis traveling for a few minutes doesn't disprove the Universe being infinite.
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IN THE SERIES, NOT OUTSIDE, if they say it outside, it is less relaible than in the inside (like, man, they even say things like "home for infinite losers"type of stuff).

By the way, Toriyama had little involvement with those magazines, just because he allowed them doesn't mean he directly has that much involvement (plus the guy is somewhat forgetful)
 
Alexander said:
In fact, wasn't Whis supposed to have specifically said that he has a maximum speed he can go? And even with that, it takes him a long time to travel across the universe
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Even though I personally don't care if the universe in canon Dragon Ball is infinite or not, but I just wanted to chime in and say that this doesn't debunk an infinite sized universe.

Because if we go by the logic that the universe is infinite in size, and Whis can travel an infinite distance in a finite amount of time, then that just means Whis has infinite speed.
 
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The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Even though I personally don't care if the universe in canon Dragon Ball is infinite or not, but I just wanted to chime in and say that this doesn't debunk an infinite sized universe.

Because if we go by the logic that the universe is infinite in size, and Whis can travel an infinite distance in a finite amount of timez then that just means Whis has infinite speed.
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He probably knows that. Though he’s got double standards towards db🤷🏻‍♂️. Not gonna change his thoughts.
 
Whis saying that it is his maximum speed isn't present in dbs anime the dbs anime only mentions that it would take 35 mins for him not that it would take him 35 mins in his maximum speed

Not to mention later down the road we see whis arrive on earth in seconds,Whis taking time to cross an infinite universe doesn't contradict infinite speed nor infinite universe
 
Alexander said:
IN THE SERIES, NOT OUTSIDE, if they say it outside, it is less relaible than in the inside (like, man, they even say things like "home for infinite losers"type of stuff).

By the way, Toriyama had little involvement with those magazines, just because he allowed them doesn't mean he directly has that much involvement (plus the guy is somewhat forgetful)
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Don't embarrass yourself, friend.

Akira Toriyama himself said he was working on the daizenshuu.

Toriyama: I’m not busy at all. My work for the Dragon Ball Daizenshuu has also settled down, so I’m not doing any work right now. (laughs)
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Because if we go by the logic that the universe is infinite in size, and Whis can travel an infinite distance in a finite amount of time, then that just means Whis has infinite speed.
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except that he said that he travels at the maximum speed of the universe, which means, is not a infinite speed, it is a finite speed and there is a limit into how fast a character can go (unless we want to argue that Whis is lying, or people are faster than him, or authors forgot about this...)
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Don't embarrass yourself, friend.

Akira Toriyama himself said he was working on the daizenshuu.

Toriyama: I’m not busy at all. My work for the Dragon Ball Daizenshuu has also settled down, so I’m not doing any work right now. (laughs)
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www.kanzenshuu.com

Dragon Ball Daizenshuu Volume 7: Akira Toriyama's Introduction - Kanzenshuu

Creator Akira Toriyama Introduces the seventh Dragon Ball "Daizenshuu" volume, "Dragon Ball Large Encyclopedia".
www.kanzenshuu.com www.kanzenshuu.com
This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job. I’m ridiculously forgetful, so despite being the author, there’s lots of stuff even I don’t know anymore. It was often quite a nuisance, and I think having this encyclopedia around when the series was still running would have really helped me out. Darn it all.


Anyway, my thanks to the staff, and to all Dragon Ball fans.
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Alexander said:
except that he said that he travels at the maximum speed of the universe, which means, is not a infinite speed, it is a finite speed and there is a limit into how fast a character can go (unless we want to argue that Whis is lying, or people are faster than him, or authors forgot about this...)
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Alex, Whis having a maximum amount of speed doesn't prove your point whatsoever. Because if Whis can traverse an infinite amount of distance in a short amount of time, regardless of how long it takes, would net him infinite speed.

And mind you: I don't care about the universe being infinite in size. I just think using Whis' speed to disprove infinite sized Dragon Ball is shit
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Whis saying that it is his maximum speed isn't present in dbs anime the dbs anime only mentions that it would take 35 mins for him not that it would take him 35 mins in his maximum speed

Not to mention later down the road we see whis arrive on earth in seconds,Whis taking time to cross an infinite universe doesn't contradict infinite speed nor infinite universe
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"Beerus: hey, Whis, is this the fastest you can go?
Whis: i will have you know, i am the fastest being in this whole universe, Lord Beerus.
Beerus: oh really is that right?i suppose i should be impressed then".
Also, why the hell would Whis go slower?
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Alex, Whis having a maximum amount of speed doesn't prove your point whatsoever. Because if Whis can traverse an infinite amount of distance in a short amount of time, regardless of how long it takes, would net him infinite speed.
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he didn't even cross the universe, he just crossed the distance between the planet of beerus and either, the planet of king kai or the planet earth.
 
Alexander said:

"Beerus: hey, Whis, is this the fastest you can go?
Whis: i will have you know, i am the fastest being in this whole universe, Lord Beerus.
Beerus: oh really is that right?i suppose i should be impressed then".
Also, why the hell would Whis go slower?
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Where does it say that it is his maximum speed?again even if that was the case this doesn't contradict infinite universe nor infinite speed
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Where does it say that it is his maximum speed?again even if that was the case this doesn't contradict infinite universe nor infinite speed
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Whis is answering to Beerus if this was the fastest he could go, Whis answered him by saying he is the fastest (and it is still true).
 
Alexander said:
he didn't even cross the universe, he just crossed the distance between the planet of beerus and either, the planet of king kai or the planet earth.
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I mean given that Goku has a hard time locking onto Earth from Beerus' planet, and vice versa, despite being able to use Instant Transmission to travel to places like King Kai's planet and the Kaioshin Realm, I imagine that the distance between King Kai and Beerus' planet is massive.

But even then? If the universe is infinite in size, just for the sake of argument, then there'd be an infinite amount of distance between Beerus' planet and King Kai's planet and Whis could travel it in a finite amount of time.
 
Alexander said:
Whis is answering to Beerus if this was the fastest he could go, Whis answered him by saying he is the fastest (and it is still true).
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Whis goes faster later on in the arale episode he verbatim quoted how he never needed to fly that fast before so saying it his maximum speed is bs second thing he never implied he was flying at his fastest Speed he just said to beerus that he is the fastest being
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I mean given that Goku has a hard time locking onto Earth from Beerus' planet, and vice versa, despite being able to use Instant Transmission to travel to places like King Kai's planet and the Kaioshin Realm, I imagine that the distance between King Kai and Beerus' planet is massive.
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the instant transmission has a range limit, yes the distance is massive, but it is still in the same universe.
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
But even then? If the universe is infinite in size, just for the sake of argument, then there'd be an infinite amount of distance between Beerus' planet and King Kai's planet and Whis could travel it in a finite amount of time.
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no there is not
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Whis goes faster later on in the arale episode he verbatim quoted how he never needed to fly that fast before so saying it his maximum speed is bs second thing he never implied he was flying at his fastest Speed he just said to beerus that he is the fastest being
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oh yeah, a filler episode, off course, i will take it (i am being sarcastic)
 
Ruphas_Mafahl123 said:
We already accept Toei-verse and GT by default having infinite sized Universes.

People are now arguing for Canon Dragon Ball to have it????.
Like, the guides that said the universe was infinite only applies to the Z Anime and GT plus the Z movies.
However, those guides were specifically made for the Toei dbz anime, not DBZ manga and DBZ Kai that precedes DBS.

So people are now trying to force it on Daima and Super? lol...atleast in GT there is a mention of infinite sized Universe, there is 0 in the DBS Anime, manga or Daima lol
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Daizenshuu 4, Daizenshuu 7, Chozenshuu 1, and Chozenshuu 4 aren’t solely for anime. They’re for the manga, but apply to the anime too.
 
Alexander said:
no there is not
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I mean clearly there has to be if the universe is infinite in size and makes Goku struggle with getting there despite the insane range of Instant Transmission.

The funny thing is that I agree with you when it comes to canon Dragon Ball's universe being finite in size, but using Whis as a justification for it is actually garbage. Use the fact that the universe has an edge or some shit, anything's better than that.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I mean clearly there has to be if the universe is infinite in size and makes Goku struggle with getting there despite the insane range of Instant Transmission.
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the instant transmission has A FINITE RANGE LIMIT, not a infinite one, like do you forget that goku could not use it to find new namek?(and that is in the same universe, not in another space-time)
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
The funny thing is that I agree with you when it comes to canon Dragon Ball's universe being finite in size, but using Whis as a justification for it is actually garbage. Use the fact that the universe has an edge or some shit, anything's better than that.
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i use it, Luffy wanted to contra argument
 
Alexander said:
yes it has
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Don't respond my reply with a "Yeah huh".
Dragon Ball Super "filler" is just as canon as the main story episodes. It is not the same as DBZ filler, which refers to content that was not adapted from the manga. Unlike DBZ, Super is not adapted from the manga or based on any other published material, so all of its episodes are canon.
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So is still Canon.
 
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