Ajimu Najimi's profile remake

[The_Causality]

Hey hey, good new i guess, basically,i've finally remaked her profile in a blog but you need to know sopme things before asking questions

• Ajimu's profile from the blog only use the hax she showed in the manga, not the wall of text she used against some characters, i've find the idea of just the skill she demonstrated pretty good (and less long to edits)
• I've ajusted the format and the profile to make him normal, also, just for saying, i'll not change the pictures i used, i find it more cool and for unsealled Ajimu, there is no real pics (don't worry, i'll not ask people to make a render, i caould probably do it myself but the full pics is better to me.
• The ability called complete arsenal come from Powerlisting but it's only for describing the number of her hax, and obviously, it's the only one which came from here.

All her stats are unknown, but after the editing of some haxes, i've noticed that, indeed, she could probably be used in battle, i just want your opinion about this

It's all i guess.

 

[Agnaa]

I have a lot of issues with it so far, but a really really important one is that Unskilled blocks Ajimu's own skills for 3 minutes. Not the opponent's.

 

[The_Causality]

I have a lot of issues with it so far, but a really really important one is that Unskilled blocks Ajimu's own skills for 3 minutes. Not the opponent's.

Oh yea indeed (what a useless skill)

Fixed.

 

[Agnaa]

So, onto the rest of the profile...

• Where's the scan saying that Ajimu came from nothing? The one linked just says she saw the creation of the universe.
• Why is "even a resistance to Bookmaker" listed under Reactive Evolution? That wasn't mentioned in the scans linked.
• There's a comma missing before Immortality.
• That's not Text Manipulation.
• Where is Ajimu shown to hurt Non-Corporeal things?
• There's a comma missing before Martial Arts.
• What is a "judo take"?
• It should be "in response to Tsurubami's provocations".
• I prefer "gave it to Kumagawa" over "imposed it to Kumagawa".
• Missing a comma before Limited Nigh-Omnipresence.
• The grammar for Alibi Block's description really needs to be cleaned up.
• I'm not sure if that's great proof that Ajimu can appear at multiple places at the same time.
• That Multiple Existence should be its own ability, it shouldn't be tucked away under Nigh-Omnipresence.
• She shouldn't have "Multiple Existence", she should have "Creation". The Not Equals share just about nothing with Ajimu herself, they're not actual equally-powerful copies of herself.
• Why does Limited Nigh-Omniscience refer to a note when you've already linked the scan in the explanation?
• The note for Limited Nigh-Omniscience is inaccurate. The author didn't say that, the narrator did.
• Lip Service isn't Power Modification, it's Power Bestowal and Power Absorption.
• What did you mean by "As this ability was one of Ajimu's skills for a time, she could probably use it"? She shouldn't have the ability after she's given it back.
• I don't get why you gave her Subjective Reality.
• "Seems to be able to entering the dream world" should be "Seems to be able to enter the dream world".
• Count Up isn't Mathematics Manipulation.
• I'm not sure if that counts as BFR since it only mentally puts them there. I'd like more input on this.
• You should link to the scan for Air Manipulation.
• "On an certain extend" should be "To a certain extent".
• That's a really bad justification for resistance to Causality Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation. It should be rephrased to emphasize that while it did affect Ajimu it didn't completely work.
• Why would she resist Conceptual Manipulation when AF's only feat of working on concepts is erasing colours? There's no conceptual use of AF for her to resist.
• I don't believe that's the reason why Kumagawa's looking for a skill that can defeat Ajimu.
• You shouldn't have rewritten the AP section.
• There's a lot more grammar issues with the profile but I only skimmed over most of the rest.
• You should delete notes 1-3. 1 for the reason earlier stated, 2-3 since those abilities are no longer listed on her profile.
• Why does she have an entire tabber for Complete Arsenal?
• Why is Complete Arsenal linking to another wiki? Just write that she has many more skills at the bottom of the rest of her P&A section.
• Why did you explain all of the skills in the P&A section? That bloats it to an insane degree when those can easily be moved to her list of skills at the bottom of the page.
• You forgot one of Ajimu's skills. When she first talks to Zenkichi/Kumagawa after their battle, she says she used a skill to make Zenkichi unconscious. This skill doesn't have a name, but should be mentioned regardless.

 

[Agnaa]

A few more things.

• Ajimu being match banned isn't just because she doesn't have enough useful combat abilities. It's because of uncertainty regarding her tiering, and the fact that we don't know 99.999999% of her skills. But still, I'm neutral on whether she gets match unbanned or not.
• You should also include the ability from the translated Good Loser Kumagawa novel. She lent one of her Not Equals the ability to reload guns without touching them.
• I also wouldn't call Ajimu gaining abilities "Reactive Evolution", I'd call it Accelerated Development

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

She resists conceptual manipulation because she was in full colour when Kumagawa erased colours.

 

[Antvasima]

@Agnaa

Thank you for helping out. I largely trust your sense of judgement.

Anyway, Najimi has referred to her 700 million human component parts as terminals in the first Kumagawa novel, so she seems to be a shared collective unconscious for all of them.

 

[Agnaa]

Is that a joke? Those weren't flashes of her at that moment.

 

[Agnaa]

@Agnaa

Thank you for helping out. I largely trust your sense of judgement.

Anyway, Najimi has referred to her 700 million human component parts as terminals in the first Kumagawa novel, so she seems to be a shared collective unconscious for all of them.

The Not Equals...

• Can be harmed by people far below Ajimu, so they don't share her physical stats.
• Need to be told information by Ajimu, so they don't share her memories.
• Act in different ways than Ajimu would, so they don't share her personality.
• Need to be granted skills from Ajimu, so they don't share her abilities.

I can't think of anything they actually share with Ajimu. The extent of them being terminals seems to be that they're people that Ajimu communicates with to try to get them to do her bidding. She presumably created them, but she doesn't even have control over their actions, since she gave them free will.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Is that a joke? Those weren't flashes of her at that moment.

John Cena "are you sure about that?" GREENSCREEN (IMPROVED VERSION)-1

 

[The_Causality]

Ehh, let me breath owo:

• The first one is here
• Because as she explained in the scan above^ she do nothing and gain abilities, and this sca imply that she gained a resistance little by little to bookmaker so that some of Reactive evolution
• Fixed
• There was a thread that talked about this, if you can find it to me, it should be cool ( i still need to answer your questioning)
• judo take = taking judo
• Text stuff is fixed
• Fixed
• Fixed
• Fixed
• Fixed
• Fixed (i guess)
• But it's probably good to use this description anyway i guess.
• Fixed
• I see, fixed
• I've find the idea of a note good for it, the scan linked is not the good translation, the originakl translation is in the note
• Power Bestowal and Power Absorption. is fixed
• I see i see, fixed
• Yea me too, dunno why i puted it in the profile, fixed.
• Fixed
• Count up is a form of Math manipulation, there is no need to manipulate math on a absurd scale, lower things like that work.
• That a form of BFR i gues, it send your consciousness outisde your body.
• lemme some time
• Conceptual Manipulation not really affected Ajimu, the Combinaison of Bookmaker and All Fiction (only used to erase all trace of her in the world) worked.
• It's a form of resistance to Conceptual Manipulation, only for erasure, not all form obviously
• I see, well i'll just use the current then
• because it's for separating the casuala ability to the 14 Quadrillion of other
• It's still good to describe Ajimu's skill in the Attacks section
• I'll fix this
• It is though? i mean this reason is implicit but pretty much work.

 

[Antvasima]

@Agnaa

I suppose that makes sense, although I think that she is supposed to be a sort of collective overmind for them, like cells within her body that automatically grant her the information that they know, but not the reverse.

 

[Agnaa]

@Antvasima I've forgotten too much to know whether that's accurate but it seems plausible. Maybe Enhanced Senses could be added, for her being able to collect information through those 70 million humans?

@Causality

• Cool.
• Accelerated Development can happen from nothing, as stated on the page. Reactive Evolution needs something pushing it along. Also, Bookmaker weakened because Kumagawa's heart weakened, this is explained when Ajimu first transfers to the academy.
• Cool.
• ?
• I don't think that's the right word to use there, maybe something like "judo hold"?
• Thanks.
• Cool.
• Sweet.
• Awesome.
• Amazing.
• Keep it up.
• If you say so.
• Great.
• Nice work.
• You can just link both translations there, rather than referring to the note for the second one.
• Ty.
• You could probably still put Bookmaker on the profile, you just shouldn't have said that she keeps it after she gave it back.
• With a large profile like this, ofc some things slip through.
• Alrighty.
• I don't think it's Math Manipulation at all, just her dipping into her Omniscience in a limited manner. It's not actually manipulating anything, just granting knowledge.
• Yeah sure.
• Can do.
• It did affect Ajimu, it limited her abilities somewhat, but it didn't 100% work. The description for the resistance should mention this.
• All Fiction doesn't have Conceptual Erasure. It doesn't EE on a conceptual level. It can just affect the concepts of colour.
• Yeah, I think the current one's more than good enough.
• I don't think that's needed since you didn't list the 14 quadrillion other.
• I disagree, it makes the section really hard to read and the information can easily be put elsewhere. It would end up looking more like this profile which imo is much cleaner.
• Epic.
• Sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

 

[The_Causality]

• Wait, All Fiction affect Concept by erasing them from Existence but it's not Conceptual Erasure? i don't get it.
• Fixed the Attack section
• Fixed the other tabber
• I'll mention the things about resistance in the profile
• Well then i'll remove Math Manipulation
• Then i'll re-add Bookmaker later (the description said that after she gave Hundered gauntlet to Misogi, she stole Bookmaker, she didn't has it when she gave it back)
• I'll fix the Nigh-Omni description then.
• Accelerated Developpement is fixed

Ehh, i'll probably take my time to fix the rest.

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah, it doesn't erase everything on a conceptual level, but it's been shown to affect a concept. At least, that's sort of how Earl explained it to me.

Some other verses apparently have stuff like this with absorption and other abilities.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Count up would be limited Information Analysis, I think.

 

[The_Causality]

Yeah, it doesn't erase everything on a conceptual level, but it's been shown to affect a concept. At least, that's sort of how Earl explained it to me.
Some other verses apparently have stuff like this with absorption and other abilities.

Hmm that make no real sense to me. For exemple, Red is a Color but a Concept too, if you erase Conceptually Red, you erase a Concept, the same way as if you erase the concept of "10" which came from the Concept of "Number", you erase a concept.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

But, if he erases "you," then only your body disappears.

 

[Agnaa]

Here's part of the Discord messages Earl sent on this.

It just means it can erase concepts, not that it can erase everyone on a conceptual level. A CRT would need to be made to change this.

 

[The_Causality]

The ability is Conceptual since it erase all object of this Concept from existence, for exemple, not only the visual color dissapear, but the physical object that represent those colors are removed, so yeah, only "your body" dissapear because it's the only object of your concept, the concept of "you"

anyway, let's talk to this for another CRT i guess.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

A few more things.

Isn't All For One similar in that regard?

 

[Antvasima]

Have Agnaa's evaluation results been applied?

 

[The_Causality]

@Ant I will be out for some times due to irl things, I'll let Agnaa handle the rest of the draft corrections, I've fixed most of the stuff. @Agnaa feel free to copy-paste [my draft] in your sandbox.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Agnaa]

Isn't All For One similar in that regard?

I'm not sure how similar All For One is, but I know Yü Otosaka, Oryx, the Taken King, and Scion (Worm) all have thousands/quadrillions/trillions upon trillions of abilities of which we only know about a few. This reasoning isn't consistently applied, but it's the one used for Ajimu regardless.

Then again, I haven't seen any of those verses' communities argue that "We only know a fraction of their skills so they must have this random ability!" or complain that "We only know a fraction of their skills so this match doesn't count!" It may have been a combination of that reasoning and the community around the verse.

@Causality I'll look at it some time today. Are you fine with me moving the description of the abilities away from the powers and abilities section, or do you want that to stay?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

About the conceptual EE. Yes, as i said in the discord msg which agnaa posted posting stuff i said without my permision *sike* affecting concepts doesn't make it conceptual. When he erased zenkichi, the concept of the human named Zenkichi didn't cease to exist, only Zenkichi did. This happens because authors tend to make a rather big difference between affecting a concept in general, and affecting something on a conceptual level.

So it would rather need some form of other feats or statements. So Kumagawa would have Concept Manip for being able to affect concepts, but he's not shown to conceptually erase everything. Kind of like Non Physical Interaction, you can touch wandering souls, but that doesn't mean that if you punch a human you'll punch his soul too.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

A few more things.

Isn't All For One similar in that regard?

There is a huge difference. All For One, Oryx, Yu etc all have a set of abilities they use and fight with. Example All For One fought All Might, so we know on average what he can and will do in character. Ajimu has like 12.8 Quadrillion, out of those she has shown about 620 or so, and out of those 620 we only know what 12 of them do. Out of these 12, 3 of them are not in her possession (hundred gauntlets, five focus and parasite seeing) so unusable by her. Out of the remaining 9, 2 of them are not even combat applicable (eternal life and count up). Out of the remaining 7, Life Zero has never shown to be used. Out of the remaining 6, one of them is specific to a single ability and therefore useless (the one which negates parasite seeing). Out of the remaining 5, she has used none for combat.

So like...what would you argue of her. It'd be different if we had like 20 abilities to work with (like how we do with Medaka), but this is just...impossible.

 

[Agnaa]

Well, we don't have to use her skills from the end of series, we could use any set of skills she owned at the same time, right?

She'd be able to nullify skills with Life Zero, we could use her when she has Five Focus or Bookmaker, and she could make people unconscious.

That's more than a fair amount of characters, but is only 4 skills out of her whole arsenal. On top of that, her AP and speed are both very ambiguous. Not a lot to go off of but there might be enough for a few fights. But you are right that we don't know what she'd use in an actual combat context. She's basically the Barney of manga

@Causality There's still some things that we haven't really come to a conclusion on that I'd like you to address before I go through correcting all the minor mistakes and putting it in my sandbox.

 

[DbzDB2]

why dont we just say that ajimu is 247 times older than the universe instead of 246.5715192 times older... thats too many decimal places

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Agnaa

Pretty sure we do not do that. Ajimu cannot have Bookmaker, otherwise we'd have to use her sealed form. We cannot use a composite skill version of Ajimu as it would be contradicting with the timeline.

We do not know when she had Five Focus either, we just know she gave it away. And many other points. And that's all coming together to a single point that is "we still do not know the limits to her skill". I mean All Fiction is a single skill and we do not know it's limits (by that i mean we can't settle on it's actual potency to the point where me and fate got bored of arguing), she has 12.8 quadrillion of these abbominations.

And "there might be enough for a few fight". No...just no. We don't give profiles for characters the unban card then say "there are like 4 possible opponents for her in the whole wiki, don't put her up against anyone else", if we're giving her the unban, she will be put up against many people, we can't restrict that part.

 

[Agnaa]

Bookmaker: Couldn't we make fights for the sealed version? It's not like most of her skills are useful anyway. But then again, we don't know if she could even use Bookmaker then or if she just had it. It should probably be removed from the draft.

Five Focus: We could use Ajimu from 100 years ago to get around that issue, right?

We don't know her limits: To paraphrase Saikou in a previous thread on this issue: It happens a lot, so what if it happens to Ajimu?

There's only four possible opponents: Well, yeah. There are quite a few "Every fight is a mismatch" characters, that alone isn't a big deal.

She'll be put up against a lot of people: True. I don't particularly care either way on the match ban. I used to support it, but after seeing arguments against the match ban I can see the benefits to either approach.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

@Agnaa

Pretty sure we do not do that. Ajimu cannot have Bookmaker, otherwise we'd have to use her sealed form. We cannot use a composite skill version of Ajimu as it would be contradicting with the timeline.

What about before he sealed her? Actually, do we ever see him doing that?

 

[Agnaa]

@Procrastination If it was before Ajimu was sealed, then Kumagawa still had Bookmaker, and Ajimu didn't.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Ok, I was wondering if there was an interval where she had it, but wasn't sealed just yet. There's still dream world Ajimu.

 

[The_Causality]

@Agnaa Do whatever you want with the draft.

@Firephoenix, i don't agree. the Conceptual feat of All Fiction come from the anime, you can't argue that it' don't erase concept when the source we use, the anime erase them (I've already talked with Assalt about this feat and anime was clearly accepted as Conceptual Erasure), what you said about the manga isn't really relevant since we don't have infos of the effect of Zenkichi's erasure, you can't say that "the concept of zenkichi didn't dissapeared" without info and i know you will say "the is memory of him" but that also the case for the anime feat with the colors and was agree to be conceptual erasure.

And from what i know, being able to interact with concepts isn't really conceptual erasure, but more a feat of non-corporeality

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Causality

As i said, im not saying the concept erasure isn't legit. It's just that as i said, interacting with concepts gives you concept manip, it doesn't make your ability conceptual in nature.

 

[The_Causality]

That's more a Sementic case i guess

My thought about that is, interacting with Concept don't grant you Conceptual Manipulation, in the same way as interacting with fire don't grant you fire manipulation so imo.

 

[Agnaa]

That's more a Sementic case i guess

My thought about that is, interacting with Concept don't grant you Conceptual Manipulation, in the same way as interacting with fire don't grant you fire manipulation so imo.

Some people agree with that interpretation too, but the thread in general disagreed, and gave the feat Concept Manip.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

As i said. It does give concept manip, it just doesn't make it conceptual erasure. Example, the ability can affect souls without being spiritual.

 

[The_Causality]

@Fire I know what you said and in a way i agree, that why i said that those case shouldn't be Conceptual Manipulation but just Non-Physical Interaction on a conceptual scale.

@Agnaa Ah too bad for me then.