Aigis vs Vergil

[DarkGrath]

Isn't the insta-kill ability having a 100% chance of killing based on the connection to Soul Manip? I'm very tired at the moment, and Persona is complicated, so I'll likely slip up a bit in my explanation. But I'll try and explain what I remember.

So, with abilities like Soul Manipulation, it's assumed on the wiki that "no resistance = getting one-shot" unless otherwise stated. So, if someone attacks your soul with Soul Manip, and you have no resistance to Soul Manip, it will one hit kill you. While skills like Mudo are forms of Death Manip, all Persona abilities are explicitly based around Soul Manipulation. So if you can resist the Soul Manipulation of an attack, you can resist the other effects of Persona abilities to an extent. All Persona users have good resistance to Soul Manipulation, hence why their attacks don't one-shot eachother and also why they have some level of resistance towards these abilities.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well Vergil also has resistance to Soul Manipulation.

And no. The attack itself says that it only has 40% chance to work, it doesn't require resistance to get to the 40%. It's not a weak death manip that would work on a target without resistance, but rather an attack that has a % of working at all.

Solacis argued that that 40% is because of creatures in the game resisting it. Which he never brought any proof of why that is, and it's contradicted by the game and Aigis's profile itself that states that.

Although either way that doesn't change the outcome of the battle. The death manip is the only win con Aigis has, even if we assume it has a 100% chance to work she still needs to specifically lead with it right of the bat or Vergil wins.

 

[DarkGrath]

Alright, alright. If we're going to discuss the validity of the insta-kill moves, then that needs to be addressed on a CRT, not on here. This isn't the place for discussions on character statistics.

And for the record, I agree that Vergil would win regardless. You can count my vote in.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Alright, alright. If we're going to discuss the validity of the insta-kill moves, then that needs to be addressed on a CRT, not on here. This isn't the place for discussions on character statistics.

This was kinda my point, I specifically mentioned that the profile itself was using it and that if it was like that, the profile needs updating.

 

[DarkGrath]

Should I make a CRT about the topic? I am aware that it has been discussed plenty of times before, but if there still needs to be discussion on it we might as well.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I don't know anything about Persona, but if the profile is wrong it should be updated.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Vergil FRA