Aigis vs Vergil

[Ted_Ed]

Low 2-C forms

Speed equal



Sup bish.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Aigis have two Low 2-C, which one are you using ?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

As per SBA its the strongest one

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Then Vergil is going to be stomped into oblivion

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Why?

 

[Ted_Ed]

Technically, Aigis is a gun, a weapon and on her first appearance, she is quite servile.

Weapons make people stronger.


So, in a very dark sense, Aigis is Vergil's perfect woman.

 

[Solacis]

How far into Low 2-C is Vergil?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

In base he can stomp beings (Equal to Awakened Dante who stomped Pre Fruit Urizen), who can one shot beings (Urizen one shoted DT Dante) who can one shot beings (DT Dante can one shot someone comparable to his base power, as we saw in the Anime) who can stomp beings who are above baseline (Base DMC2 Dante stomped Argosax so hard that he didn't even remembered him) by unknown amount

In Devil Trigger he one shots his base

Sin Devil Trigger is stronger than Devil Trigger

 

[Ted_Ed]

Aigis is comparable to pre-universe arcana Makoto, who fought evenly with Elizabeth, who is stronger on a unknown degree to Lavezna/Velvet Room Twins, who could keep up with Endgame Ren.


And can power herself up to Endgame Persona 4 Cast standards with Orgia and EX Orgia modes.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I might be wrong, but looking at Aigis's profile, unless she leads specifically with paralysis > death manip I don't see her taking this. Vergil leads with cutting you into pieces with durability negating spatial attacks, that don't have travel time and she doesn't have the resistances or the Regenerationn to survive that.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Aigis is comparable to pre-universe arcana Makoto, who fought evenly with Elizabeth, who is stronger on a unknown degree to Lavezna/Velvet Room Twins, who could keep up with Endgame Ren.


And can power herself up to Endgame Persona 4 Cast standards with Orgia and EX Orgia modes.

So...Vergil have a huge AP advantage

 

[Solacis]

Aigis can also lead with Evil Smile (fear manip) > Ghastly Wail (resistance-piercing instant death on fearful opponents), or if it's not enough to power through Vergil's resistance to mind manip, Stagnant Air (reduce resistance to ailments) > Evil Smile > Ghastly Wail. All of those only require being in the general vicinity of Aigis to land.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Really doubt the fear manip would work. How good is it?

 

[Solacis]

The weakest version of it is capable of affecting abstracts, as well as affects mind and soul.

Aigis' is far superior to its base strength, with various passives capable of boosting its potency.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Yeah, but how many has it effected at once? Or has it effected anyone that resists it and if so how much has it resisted? Or maybe it affected higher dimensionals?

 

[Solacis]

It can affect at least 4-5 enemies at once, likely more. All of said enemies are abstracts with no conventional brains, have a decent resistance to all ailments in the game, and she has access to a passive that increases its potency further by 50%.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Vergil doesn't resist Fear Manipulation

 

[Solacis]

He does resist Mind Manipulation, though I'm not sure about the extent.

 

[Ogbunabali]

He resists Mind Manipulation.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

They aren't the same thing

But if they are considered as the same thing now, Vergil should take this, while Aigis apparently needs a combo of three+ attacks, Vergil only needs a punch to AP her, specially in DT

However, I dunno how her Resistance Negation, Resurrection and Death Hax work, so it's not a vote

 

[Ogbunabali]

Resistance to mind gives resistance to fear most of the time, there are some situations where it doesn't but in this case it does I'm pretty sure.

But if the death manipulation is directly tied to the fear, it's a stomp for Vergil unless the paralysis can last for a day or longer.

 

[Solacis]

Fear is only there to slow down Vergil. If Aigis wants to, she can just cast any Mudo spell and kill that way. Ghastly Wail is just a means of death manip that bypass resistance to death manip, which Vergil doesn't have anyway. Besides that, Ghastly Wail is slightly easier to land, as long as the opponent is fearful, due to being omnidirectional. She can also fly, which gives her greater mobility than Vergil.

Regular physical attacks get noped by Physical Null. Yamato gets noped by Tetrakarn and Physical Repel/Absorb.

 

[Ogbunabali]

He resists fear. Don't know what Mudo spells are, Ghastly Wail on the profile says that it requires the target to be feared. Flying is irrelevant as he can also fly and teleport.

He doesn't have regular physical attacks, he has dura negging spatial attacks, which she doesn't resist.

 

[Solacis]

Mudo spells are standard death manip. Ghastly Wail is death manip that bypasses resistance to death manip.

 

[Ogbunabali]

So we're back at the beginning. Unless she specifically leads with paralysis > death manip, or just the death manip if doesn't have travel time, and it procs it's 40% chance she wins. If she does literally anything else Vergil cuts her to pieces.

 

[Ogbunabali]

All in all, I'm giving this to Vergil.

Her wincon is reliant on starting in very specific ways and even then it has less than 50% chance of it actually working. While Vergil has to do what he always does and just cut her to pieces.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

And then she resurrects

 

[Solacis]

It doesn't have a proc chance. It procs 100% on anything without resistance. I've said this already.

 

[Ogbunabali]

You got a source on that? Because the game disagrees "Instant kill, all foes (high odds). (40% chance)"

And the resurrection is for other people, unless we count the items like the bread as canon or standard equipment, which I'm pretty sure we don't.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Vergil doesn't resist Fear Manipulation

Dante has a fear aura when serious tho

 

[Solacis]

Boi. I've already explained it. The "chance to instantly kill" is representative of the target's resistance. In-game items that specifically increase the potency of instant death increase the given odds of the Mudo spells. All enemies in Persona have a base resistance to every chance-based effect in the game, including instant-death and ailments.

Vergil has no resistance to Death Manip. He gets one-shot by the weakest Mudo spell in the game.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Ok, that's great. But like proof.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Persona is weird .-.

 

[Solacis]

Ok, that's great. But like proof.

This has been done to death on previous CRTs already. I'm not wasting time finding scans when it's already been agreed upon by literally every Persona knowledgeable on the wiki, and the only reason it's not properly reflected on the profile being that people are too lazy to not copy-paste from the MegaTen wiki.

 

[Ogbunabali]

You can just post the CRTs instead of avoiding providing proof of your claims.

 

[DarkGrath]

Persona is weird .-.

You can say that again.

 

[Solacis]

You can just post the CRTs instead of avoiding providing proof of your claims.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3212856

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well that was a waste of time. Read through 500 posts for nothing.

Anyway, you only mentioned it in passing and without any scans to back it up. But even if we take that at face value that it will have a 100%, which is still dodgy, you need to update your profiles because right now they say it's not.

Either way nothing really changes. She still needs to specifically start with it in order to win while Vergil does literally anything. Still going with him.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Vergil doesn't resist Fear Manipulation

Dante has a fear aura when serious tho

Then make a CRT to add to Vergil ma boi, because he doesn't have in his profile

And we also need to know if the Fear aura is passive when he gets serious or if he activates

 

[Lightning_XXI]

If her Resurrection is only for others, then yeah, Vergil takes this