Magic spell is technically possible however I believe he brought koopa kid to help him and given his primary goal goal was to have someone strong fight him, koopa kid didn't really help him with that and unless bowser knew he would be dealing with a Mario party that also seems unlikely so he was there to help destroy dreams and koopa kid has no evidence of such magic. Artifact has zero evidence as everytime he has a powerful artifact he or the game's narration made it very clear. Device some what possible as there is the device in the frightmare minigame but bowser uses it to fight player character and fights player character directly later. Physical I think that is the most likely thing so far. Maybe but destroying a low 2-C construct is still low 2-C.
Bowser's goal is to get a strong opponent to fight and him already destroying everything makes it less likely as he already won the conflict that he was using to get said opponent to fight him.
In many of those cases, Bowser is using artifacts to rule over the universe. Here, Bowser is just destroying it to get Mario's attention, so they can have a battle. There is a clear difference.
Even if it is planet Earth, it doesn't really contradict anything. Like I said in my earlier comment, a solar system level character can very well say that he is going to destroy the world (meaning planet) and end up destroying the entire solar system in the process. His "world" is included in his scale of destruction. If I say I am going to destroy the world, I can destroy five planets with my blast and my statement would still hold true because by world, I only meant my planet which would be included in it. Simply because my scale exceeds planet level, doesn't necessarily mean I am automatically talking about the universe. Again, such a leap would require a lot more backing.
Going by the earlier example, just because I am stronger than someone who can destroy the Sun, again doesn't mean I must be talking about the universe when I say world. My goal doesn't rely on someone else's strength.
I don't see how. Even assuming he is talking about the universe, I don't see any evidence that points to the implication that he can reality warp an entire universe in one shot.
And why exactly would he affect an entire solar system when he could just affect the planet? That doesn't add up.
Either make a crt on most tier 2 characters on this site or concede. The site has never worked like that, we never have to see an entire universe get affected to get the tier. Statements work. Stop bringing this up all the time and expecting it to go through even though it's simple double standards.
This question is irrelevant. Ask Cell for why he wanted to destroy the solar system when he could have just blown the planet. A villain can destroy whatever they want and if their destruction exceeds the amount that was actually necessary, there is no reason to fret over it. That's normal.
Actually no. Because you do need a whole lot of evidence to prove such a claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The burden of proof is on the positive claim. It appears to me that you have some warped sense of understanding about how things are supposed to work. I have already gone over "space-time/fabric of reality" argument in my earlier comment. Repetition ad nauseum won't make that point legitimate.
Question. You say that we see him affecting the sun. Can you provide the evidence where he does that? Because I thought earlier you were claiming that a minion affected the sun, not him. Asking for clarification.
Neither am I making any CRT for another verse when it's not necessary, nor am I conceding. The site has always worked like this. We never have to see an entire universe get affected to get the tier, statements work, but you're missing that other context are always involved in such cases. In many cases, the statements are backed by detailed exposition, scaling and other information that solidifies that the deed was going to be done in one-shot. A single statement on its own is never enough. You keep claiming double standards without bringing up an identical case, which I asked for, and told you I'd look into if needed. Regardless, if something else is wrong, doesn't mean we have to be wrong too.
Except we allow statements to be considered as legitimate for tiering, unless something contradicts said statement that is being made. Which is something you've yet to even do. If you're going to claim what Olly is saying isn't true and that he's making it up, it's your job to find why we shouldn't take his statement. Claiming you already adressed something and say you are automatically in the right is not a good argument. Unlike "world", fabric of reality isn't a term that hops from meaning to meaning, what I'm essentially arguing is your own headcanon. Again, it's another term of space and time. That is something you cannot refute. Your example went over specific details that would blatantly mean something else, but it isn't Olly's case.
Reshaping all of space and time to your own image would be a tier 2 feat.
Too bad we aren't using "world" as the main term. It's the very fabric of reality. Which I still have no idea why "space-time" and "reality" wouldn't just mean a universe with it's time. It'd be extremely odd for this word to mean something lower when its main definition automatically lists it as this high.
Okay. Thanks for helping out.
To dumb it down and answer your question once again, you can affect the space-time of the universe in a very limited scale and still call it affecting the fabric of reality. Shattering space-time on a limited scale is equivalent to affecting the fabric of reality. Creating a hole/portal in space-time is equivalent to affecting the fabric of reality. Causing reality to change with reality warping on a limited scale is also affecting the fabric of reality. The term doesn't have a fixed meaning and it always depends on the underlying context. This has always been a thing. Take this paragraph as a learning opportunity because you obviously don't know how the term or similar things work or are treated as here.
Firstly, you are making an assumption that Olly is including Toads in his statement on the basis of him hating them and wanting them dead. Assumptions are not proofs. If you can prove Toads are included in that statement, then do that. I could hate an alien species living in Andromeda Galaxy and still only be able to destroy the world by destroying Earth and won't include those aliens when I talk about my world which is my planet. Hating someone living far away has no bearing to Olly's statement.
Not when the term is space-time. How exactly do you manipulate a small facet of time, much less bend it to your will? I have no idea why you're claiming that this is a special case when it's generally not, I'd want to pull examples, but you'd dismiss any I say automatically. If we already visually see space isn't proper, that already suggests he isn't kidding.
Don't claim something is headcanon if you yourself don't even know much about the game.
You ever notice how every single example you used specifies that it's on a lesser scale where the statement was just contradicted to be on this tier, whereas this one isn't. Inherit meaning until proven otherwise.
Why would he be targeting them later now all of a sudden? Why argue it's all of a sudden an overtime feat (which affecting time overtime is still tier 2 irregardless) if your argument is it doesn't sound like it will be. That's argument from belief. Moreover, if he literally just claimed he's folding the fabric of reality (which he later says world which I proved to mean universe under both plot/narrative), why wouldn't that mean he's literally affecting both the universe and time right now instead of just one area? Is he just affecting a part of space? What gives off that implication if that's the case? Why is suddenly a universal statement being nitpicked to now "oh it's just overtime"?
This is false equivalence, it's literally stated it's a portal in your scan while here it's something else.
Sorry Not to be rude but please Keep your false equivalences to yourself Especially since you what you said is headcanon.
Ask for the MP5, it's still a definite no. Bowser not using any macguffin-of-the-week in this plot doesn't automatically means he can destroy worlds now. There's still the factor that Bowser have not shown this level of power in games prior and he simply could mean destroying everything or causing chaos within the world rather than everything in one go. Otherwise, like Smashor said, he could of done it already. It doesn't why he wants to do it. The issue is how. As we stated before, extraordinary feats needs extraordinary details or evidence and someone else saying it isn't enough. With no context in how Bowser is going to do this, the fact he never did, no visual cues, anything plot relevant to support this, and Bowser's feat in previous games being nowhere a close, it's logical to take the statement as a hyperbolic one. This isn't nitpicking, it's just maintaining the standards of the wiki. Imagine how many buffs there would of have been if we just bought every villain with a "I'm going to destroy the ____" statement without the details in how.
You'd be extremely surprised on how much we already allow this.
Never claimed headcanon. I claimed you're making an assumption based on what you said. And it appears to be true. Clearly, Olly's goal for Toads is different here. He wants to turn them into blank paper so he never has to see them again. While here he wants to fold and crease everyone, as in Origamy. So it appears to me that Toads are not included in that statement.
Because there is no evidence of one shot? And it could be him doing the feat separately at different places. I already went over it.
Tomato, tomahto.
You say that despite the fact that the entire game, even the very room he's in, is filled with folded Toads. So you're still wrong on that regard from lack of knowledge.
I don't want a "he could be doing this" as an argument, that let's me know you aren't sure. He claimed he's preforming a feat, and he gave us the extent on how much: the universe. He's already having universal range.
They broadcast space, including with Toads, such as Bowser's Warp Orbit. It would also make sense considering they already have their sights beyond space, so it aligns.
I don’t think Olly watches TV, let alone watching it while doing a evil take over the world plan, I also don’t think a Toad Hater would care too much about what well, Toads do
Implying like I care about what do you think and your arguments from your beliefs
And why do you think it only refer to every toad in the planet only?
