The Argument from before is from the belief that Olly would watch one of these broadcasts to know Toads are in space without hard evidence he has or knows Toads are in space in any other way, if anything Weeb is arguing from belief here
What does "all" and "every" and mean to you? Considering how he's not only affecting beyond the planet and still claims this, yeah, he clearly means every Toad. It's total genocide for them. You also realize Toads travel to space and then travel back, right? They don't always inherently just stay at one spot, Captain Toad has an entire crew constantly traveling to galaxy from galaxy. So Olly would still be seeing others when coming back. Plus the game states "all".
I doubt Olly would be preforming something lesser than one of his goons.
Well without hard evidence his plans go beyond the stars your kinda at a impass here
That'd still be beyond just the planet, no?
Not really, why else would he be sending minions in the first place? If one of his weaker goons are doing so, why is he doing something lesser in an amped state no less?
Considering no other Mario Game has ever had a Second Sun to my knowledge, it seems more like a part of the desert rather then beyond the Planet (I mean the Sun is also connected to the temple opening, so the Sun has some magical properties there in the first place)
Hole Puncher is a part of the Legion of Stationery made to protect the Stremers, that’s why he’s sending them out
Because that’s just not his Plan, Plenty of even Universe Busters have Planetry takeover as there goals, I mean you should know, Bowser’s main goal in life in nearly every game is to Marry 1 Woman who’s clearly not interested
Can you post evidence of this? I'd like to see this in action.
This is a good assessment and one I agree with at the moment. The same arguments have been passed around since my last response as far as I can tell so for now count me as opposed to the revision.
No we were saying that the range was beyond earth and in fact in both versions it's consistently the entire world and not sure why would it be limited to planet when some of his minions can fold the sun, why wouldn't he just do that to the planet already as well since his plan is to reshape the world and destroy all toads and world = universe depending on the context (especially since mario used that term to refer to universes in past games), sorry for my bad wording but i think DDM explained it better
Seriously? "Super generous"
Oh yeah this is "my interpretation is more valid than yours"
You said he will only destroy what's in the dreams and then you said he can't destroy them and then you said we don't have scan of him destroying a world but again you implied that he will destroy what's inside the dream without evidence as well but just assumptions(because if you said that we didn't see him destroying the dream we also didn't see him destroying what's inside the dream).i'm getting headaches either elaborate what do you mean or just stop nitpicking
Alright (but not sure why everybody while i'm the only one who is active here, i'm chill btw)
Do you have the official English translation of this?
That's not refute, you imply like characters can't do stronger feats in later games
Isn't the show supposed to answer these questions and not leave things vague?
The argument "he only effects random areas/objects" (which somehow came out of nowhere) leads to this
It seems to imply there's something inherently wrong with this approach and seems to boil down to "but if we let this pass, we'd have to pass other instances of such a thing" without really explaining the problem. And what's more, it was confirmed with this being in line with wiki standards:
It almost seems like it can be countered with "well, sure, let's do that too", as there's no real elaboration as to the issue at hand here or why it's a problem. Maybe Whitebeard has evidence against this tier, but that just means it's very case-by-case, since of course not everyone is going to be a 1:1 of his case, fiction's just too flexible for that. The best I could find for why this would be troubling is "it's logical to take the statement as a hyperbolic one", but in this example (Bowser and the dream worlds), not only is it elaborated on to such an extent that hyperboles can be ruled out, but it's the driving force of the entire narrative that was mentioned to outright be causing damage to Dream Depot in both the English and Japanese localisations. Whilst if it was just Bowser saying it once, maybe I'd agree since it would more or less be a one-off quote, but not only does Bowser claim this a lot to the point it's basically drilled into your head, but Misstar shows great concern over it and even supports it with statements of her own claiming he could do so. Considering she's one of the Star Spirits who overlook Dream Depot, it pretty much seems like her job to know what can threaten the dream worlds, making her a reliable source. And considering how relieved she is at Bowser leaving a dream, it's pretty clear he's indeed a huge threat even in her eyes. So, to claim it's hyperbolic just doesn't work here.
Just to correct you, no we don't. Not unless there is stuff like scaling, and other heavy exposition and context regarding how the feat was going to be done, what is the method, and whether it is really talking about one-shot, etc. DBZ, Bleach and Thanos are examples of this from the top of my mind. And if we even did take every run of the mill universal destruction statement at face value without considering anything else, we would have been doing it wrong.
Ant. Hyperbolic speech is something that is impossible. Bowser destroying dreams is possible, it makes sense
Yeah i think you're right here but anyways to mention again, misstar and the narrative already implied he was going to destroy the universes and replace them with his own
I'm pretty sure he meant that hyperbole descriptions are nothing that the character can do but just exaggerations
