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Added Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Rinnegan User).

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Disagree, this is hyperbole.

One of the rineggan's abilities is to revive shinobi who have been killed during the pain invasion, this explains why the rinnegan is said to be the eye that transcends the concept of life & death.
 
Added Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Rinnegan User).


Here what I want to convey is that the Rinnegan basically transcends the limits of human concepts, namely life and death, with transcendental properties that can be controlled freely. Rinnegan (eye of saṃsāra) is one of the most powerful dōjutsu eyes among the three great dōjutsu in the world of Naruto. It is said that whoever holds this eye will be sent down from heaven to become a creator god who brings peace on earth. or a god of destruction who will reduce everything to nothing.


We will discuss the specifics of the "human parth" which gives the user the ability to read minds through contact or even remove the soul from their body, killing the victim. Souls can also be stored in the summon of the king of hell. This supernatural path, like the path of hell, is a direct representation of death and rebirth, as it may have shinigami characteristics. in this case, the human path is to expel the soul as the god of death does and direct it to the afterlife; In this case the souls who stray through this path can be kept in the summons of the king of hell, the king of hell who judges souls based on their karma. Its ability allows the hell path to consume the body first, and the once damaged body will reappear from the mouth fully restored.

Next is the animal path, which allows the user to summon various animals. Animals used on this trail include giant drills, three-headed dogs, snake-tailed chameleons, pandas, buffalo, rhinos, crustaceans and centipedes. Animals, like pain, have designed chakra rods to receive chakra from external pathways. Nagato also used these animals for large-scale attacks against large groups of enemies.


These various paths are controlled by the outer path, namely Nagato. this path gives him the ability to create his six paths of pain by giving each of them abilities specific to that path. It can also give the user the ability to revive the dead using the technique "saṃsāra heavenly life/gedo-rinne-tensei" which involves the Rinnegan user to use the king of hell when activated and release all souls back from interrogation. or bringing them back from the afterlife back to the body of the deceased victim. However, after using this technique's abilities, the user will die in exchange for their life being returned. this technique can also bring revived individuals back to life. this is what Madara planned to resurrect himself. this path as an individual can use all pain path techniques and even has unique techniques based on the Rinnegan.

This should be a fairly simple set of explanations given the available evidence. that the Rinnegan user must acquire the abilities Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. of course this meets our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

The concepts of life and death, by definition are concepts, concepts cannot be inherently physical, concepts can only be abstract. they define the reality they govern by manipulating concepts that manipulate life and death. and finally, discussing the diversity of universal concepts that influence the nature of Life and Death outside the normal universal space-time of the Naruto world, these concepts are not discussed in a limited context.

With the above evidence, I can say with great confidence that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities (Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation). and anyone who disagrees with this disagrees with the objective facts regarding the Rinnegan's special abilities.
I will give my opinion on this. In my opinion, the feat you presented is just a metaphor for the first feat. I say this because of the feats you performed There is no indication that the Rinnegan influences the concept of death and life directly. Here it is simply aimed at "transcending the concepts of death and life" And this sentence is just a metaphorical presentation to deceive life and death, if seen from the bottom sentence as a correlation that mentions similar things even the relationship between concept and reality is not explained here if both are able to influence each other.
 
Where is it stated that the totality of the Naruto Universe is affected by affecting these concepts


This isn't remotely proof of affecting reality. Hard disagree.
I will explain directly from the outer path capabilities. the greatest gift of this ability is that it gives the user control over life and death. as you know, this jutsu allows the user to bring someone back to life. However, the user's death cannot be avoided due to the side effects of using this jutsu, this has proven that the user of this ability (Nagato) has full control over this concept.

To further extrapolate this explanation, I would like to provide some additional support.



So, Hagoromo had also created the "concept of emotion" from scratch, considering he was the one who gave the concept of emotion to the Juubi fragments when they previously didn't have one. Then you have the Yin-Yang Element “giving rise to everything in the Universe” and “creating everything from nothing”,




And for Haguromo's original Rinnegan, he was able to create a "concept of emotion" at first. Of course, before Haguromo got his Rinnegan, concepts such as "life and death" were already depicted in the Naruto universe, why not? Remembering that Haguromo once created a different concept. This indirectly proves that the ability of the outer path provides the user has full control of this concept. because as I explained at the beginning, whoever holds this eye will bring peace and a god of destruction who will make everything into nothingness.


I believe the evidence here is quite convincing and clear.
 
Added Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Rinnegan User).


Here what I want to convey is that the Rinnegan basically transcends the limits of human concepts, namely life and death, with transcendental properties that can be controlled freely. Rinnegan (eye of saṃsāra) is one of the most powerful dōjutsu eyes among the three great dōjutsu in the world of Naruto. It is said that whoever holds this eye will be sent down from heaven to become a creator god who brings peace on earth. or a god of destruction who will reduce everything to nothing.


We will discuss the specifics of the "human parth" which gives the user the ability to read minds through contact or even remove the soul from their body, killing the victim. Souls can also be stored in the summon of the king of hell. This supernatural path, like the path of hell, is a direct representation of death and rebirth, as it may have shinigami characteristics. in this case, the human path is to expel the soul as the god of death does and direct it to the afterlife; In this case the souls who stray through this path can be kept in the summons of the king of hell, the king of hell who judges souls based on their karma. Its ability allows the hell path to consume the body first, and the once damaged body will reappear from the mouth fully restored.

Next is the animal path, which allows the user to summon various animals. Animals used on this trail include giant drills, three-headed dogs, snake-tailed chameleons, pandas, buffalo, rhinos, crustaceans and centipedes. Animals, like pain, have designed chakra rods to receive chakra from external pathways. Nagato also used these animals for large-scale attacks against large groups of enemies.


These various paths are controlled by the outer path, namely Nagato. this path gives him the ability to create his six paths of pain by giving each of them abilities specific to that path. It can also give the user the ability to revive the dead using the technique "saṃsāra heavenly life/gedo-rinne-tensei" which involves the Rinnegan user to use the king of hell when activated and release all souls back from interrogation. or bringing them back from the afterlife back to the body of the deceased victim. However, after using this technique's abilities, the user will die in exchange for their life being returned. this technique can also bring revived individuals back to life. this is what Madara planned to resurrect himself. this path as an individual can use all pain path techniques and even has unique techniques based on the Rinnegan.

This should be a fairly simple set of explanations given the available evidence. that the Rinnegan user must acquire the abilities Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. of course this meets our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

The concepts of life and death, by definition are concepts, concepts cannot be inherently physical, concepts can only be abstract. they define the reality they govern by manipulating concepts that manipulate life and death. and finally, discussing the diversity of universal concepts that influence the nature of Life and Death outside the normal universal space-time of the Naruto world, these concepts are not discussed in a limited context.

With the above evidence, I can say with great confidence that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities (Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation). and anyone who disagrees with this disagrees with the objective facts regarding the Rinnegan's special abilities.
Nuh uh, Disagree.

1. Hyperbole asf.
2. Transcending concept ≠ Conceptual Manipulation
3. Neither suits for universal nor individual concept.
 
Trandscend between life and death here just simplely say like this

Did you remember when nagato revive the whole village? you know that kakashi meet his dad which actually mean that he completely die, and nagato can revive him

That's was the reason about that trandscended statement

The jutsu of this rinnegan can bypass and revive soul in after life

So FRA
conceptual manip here are just ̶P̶̶a̶̶t̶̶h̶̶e̶̶t̶̶i̶̶c̶ ̶D̶̶r̶̶e̶̶a̶̶m̶ as f

Btw agree

For closing the thread
 
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Added Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Rinnegan User).


Here what I want to convey is that the Rinnegan basically transcends the limits of human concepts, namely life and death, with transcendental properties that can be controlled freely. Rinnegan (eye of saṃsāra) is one of the most powerful dōjutsu eyes among the three great dōjutsu in the world of Naruto. It is said that whoever holds this eye will be sent down from heaven to become a creator god who brings peace on earth. or a god of destruction who will reduce everything to nothing.


We will discuss the specifics of the "human parth" which gives the user the ability to read minds through contact or even remove the soul from their body, killing the victim. Souls can also be stored in the summon of the king of hell. This supernatural path, like the path of hell, is a direct representation of death and rebirth, as it may have shinigami characteristics. in this case, the human path is to expel the soul as the god of death does and direct it to the afterlife; In this case the souls who stray through this path can be kept in the summons of the king of hell, the king of hell who judges souls based on their karma. Its ability allows the hell path to consume the body first, and the once damaged body will reappear from the mouth fully restored.

Next is the animal path, which allows the user to summon various animals. Animals used on this trail include giant drills, three-headed dogs, snake-tailed chameleons, pandas, buffalo, rhinos, crustaceans and centipedes. Animals, like pain, have designed chakra rods to receive chakra from external pathways. Nagato also used these animals for large-scale attacks against large groups of enemies.


These various paths are controlled by the outer path, namely Nagato. this path gives him the ability to create his six paths of pain by giving each of them abilities specific to that path. It can also give the user the ability to revive the dead using the technique "saṃsāra heavenly life/gedo-rinne-tensei" which involves the Rinnegan user to use the king of hell when activated and release all souls back from interrogation. or bringing them back from the afterlife back to the body of the deceased victim. However, after using this technique's abilities, the user will die in exchange for their life being returned. this technique can also bring revived individuals back to life. this is what Madara planned to resurrect himself. this path as an individual can use all pain path techniques and even has unique techniques based on the Rinnegan.

This should be a fairly simple set of explanations given the available evidence. that the Rinnegan user must acquire the abilities Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. of course this meets our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

The concepts of life and death, by definition are concepts, concepts cannot be inherently physical, concepts can only be abstract. they define the reality they govern by manipulating concepts that manipulate life and death. and finally, discussing the diversity of universal concepts that influence the nature of Life and Death outside the normal universal space-time of the Naruto world, these concepts are not discussed in a limited context.

With the above evidence, I can say with great confidence that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities (Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation). and anyone who disagrees with this disagrees with the objective facts regarding the Rinnegan's special abilities.
 
Added Conceptual Manipulation Type 2 (Rinnegan User).


Here what I want to convey is that the Rinnegan basically transcends the limits of human concepts, namely life and death, with transcendental properties that can be controlled freely. Rinnegan (eye of saṃsāra) is one of the most powerful dōjutsu eyes among the three great dōjutsu in the world of Naruto. It is said that whoever holds this eye will be sent down from heaven to become a creator god who brings peace on earth. or a god of destruction who will reduce everything to nothing.


We will discuss the specifics of the "human parth" which gives the user the ability to read minds through contact or even remove the soul from their body, killing the victim. Souls can also be stored in the summon of the king of hell. This supernatural path, like the path of hell, is a direct representation of death and rebirth, as it may have shinigami characteristics. in this case, the human path is to expel the soul as the god of death does and direct it to the afterlife; In this case the souls who stray through this path can be kept in the summons of the king of hell, the king of hell who judges souls based on their karma. Its ability allows the hell path to consume the body first, and the once damaged body will reappear from the mouth fully restored.

Next is the animal path, which allows the user to summon various animals. Animals used on this trail include giant drills, three-headed dogs, snake-tailed chameleons, pandas, buffalo, rhinos, crustaceans and centipedes. Animals, like pain, have designed chakra rods to receive chakra from external pathways. Nagato also used these animals for large-scale attacks against large groups of enemies.


These various paths are controlled by the outer path, namely Nagato. this path gives him the ability to create his six paths of pain by giving each of them abilities specific to that path. It can also give the user the ability to revive the dead using the technique "saṃsāra heavenly life/gedo-rinne-tensei" which involves the Rinnegan user to use the king of hell when activated and release all souls back from interrogation. or bringing them back from the afterlife back to the body of the deceased victim. However, after using this technique's abilities, the user will die in exchange for their life being returned. this technique can also bring revived individuals back to life. this is what Madara planned to resurrect himself. this path as an individual can use all pain path techniques and even has unique techniques based on the Rinnegan.

This should be a fairly simple set of explanations given the available evidence. that the Rinnegan user must acquire the abilities Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. of course this meets our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

The concepts of life and death, by definition are concepts, concepts cannot be inherently physical, concepts can only be abstract. they define the reality they govern by manipulating concepts that manipulate life and death. and finally, discussing the diversity of universal concepts that influence the nature of Life and Death outside the normal universal space-time of the Naruto world, these concepts are not discussed in a limited context.

With the above evidence, I can say with great confidence that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities (Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation). and anyone who disagrees with this disagrees with the objective facts regarding the Rinnegan's special abilities.
bro what the-, this thread should be closed at 5 minute after get posted, too many hyperbole, Transcending an concept ≠ manipulation the concept.

By the way, agree (to close this thread)
 
bro what the-, this thread should be closed at 5 minute after get posted, too many hyperbole, Transcending an concept ≠ manipulation the concept.

By the way, agree (to close this thread)
bro, you want to be a hero? if I ask what is the context of going beyond the concept and changing the concept, can you answer that?, I think you just want to look cool for now.
 
I will explain directly from the outer path capabilities. the greatest gift of this ability is that it gives the user control over life and death. as you know, this jutsu allows the user to bring someone back to life. However, the user's death cannot be avoided due to the side effects of using this jutsu, this has proven that the user of this ability (Nagato) has full control over this concept.

To further extrapolate this explanation, I would like to provide some additional support.



So, Hagoromo had also created the "concept of emotion" from scratch, considering he was the one who gave the concept of emotion to the Juubi fragments when they previously didn't have one. Then you have the Yin-Yang Element “giving rise to everything in the Universe” and “creating everything from nothing”,




And for Haguromo's original Rinnegan, he was able to create a "concept of emotion" at first. Of course, before Haguromo got his Rinnegan, concepts such as "life and death" were already depicted in the Naruto universe, why not? Remembering that Haguromo once created a different concept. This indirectly proves that the ability of the outer path provides the user has full control of this concept. because as I explained at the beginning, whoever holds this eye will bring peace and a god of destruction who will make everything into nothingness.


I believe the evidence here is quite convincing and clear.

 
Wait, I just realized the OP did take my arguments from that joke thread and used them in the OP, but instead of quoting them directly, he copied them and switch out some words to make it less noticeable 😭

Luxxy's Thread:
This should be a fairly simple set of explanations given the available evidence [1]. that the Rinnegan user must acquire the abilities Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation [2]. of course this meets our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation.

The concepts of life and death, by definition are concepts, concepts cannot be inherently physical, concepts can only be abstract [3]. they define the reality they govern by manipulating concepts that manipulate life and death [4]. and finally [5], discussing the diversity of universal concepts that influence the nature of Life and Death outside the normal universal space-time of the Naruto world, these concepts are not discussed in a limited context. [6]

With the above evidence, I can say with great confidence that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities [7]
(Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation). and anyone who disagrees with this disagrees with the objective facts [8] regarding the Rinnegan's special abilities.

My Thread:
This should be a pretty simple thread with the evidence at hand. [1]

Rinnegan users should have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. [2]


The argument is as follows, the Rinnegan is stated to transcend the very concepts of Life and Death, and because of this transcendental nature, Rinnegan users can manipulate them freely. It was initially assumed that this is just a hyperbolic statement without concrete interpretation. I reject such notions as this argument presupposes the statement as hyperbolic without providing reason as to why it's hyperbolic, I can consider the statement as non-hyperbolic and have that claim be equal in soundness as the argument was founded upon zero evidence. Only personal interpretations.

This fulfills our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation. The concepts of Life and Death are abstract by definition of them being concepts, concepts cannot be physical inherently, they can only be abstract [3]. They define the reality which they govern over as it's through manipulating these concepts that one manipulates life and death [4]. And finally [5], it's discussing the universal variety of concepts as it affects the properties of Life and Death beyond the normal universal space-time of Naruto's world, it necessitates that these concepts aren't being discussed in a limited context. [6]

With this evidence, I can say with great certainty that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities [7]
, and anyone who disagrees with this is disagreeing with objective fact. [8]

I don't care that you did use my arguments, but you should've at least said you were using them. Not just bar for bar me without telling 💀
 
Wait, I just realized the OP did take my arguments from that joke thread and used them in the OP, but instead of quoting them directly, he copied them and switch out some words to make it less noticeable 😭

Luxxy's Thread:


My Thread:


I don't care that you did use my arguments, but you should've at least said you were using them. Not just bar for bar me without telling 💀
Nah wtf is this 💀

I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that OP took Decieved's thread seriously, or the fact that OP just straight up copied it.
 
Wait, I just realized the OP did take my arguments from that joke thread and used them in the OP, but instead of quoting them directly, he copied them and switch out some words to make it less noticeable 😭

Luxxy's Thread:


My Thread:


I don't care that you did use my arguments, but you should've at least said you were using them. Not just bar for bar me without telling 💀
 
Didn't think someone could steal an argument based on crt joke
I don't understand why this feat is taken seriously...
 
Didn't think someone could steal an argument based on crt joke
I don't understand why this feat is taken seriously...
Because he's a ******

I know who is this guy exactly
As far as I know he even says that mind manipulation in Naruto is a fundamental aspect

And did you remember this goofy post naruboru verse ftl+ thread
That xyra is one of his friend tho
 
This is something that I think should have been asked on the Naruto discussion thread before a thread was made because it is practically a copy of a thread from the fun and games board, but if the OP found it valid, they should have discussed it with the Naruto supporters first because it just looks odd/sus or in meme terms "he copied my whole flow, word for word, bar for bar" type energy as pointed out by the user who made the fun and games thread.

Taking the thread as legit, I don't think some of what the OP posted really supports much when I can be interpreted a more simpler way as other pointed out. And the whole bringing peace and a god of destruction stuff isn't really anything, as is the giving raise to all things in the universe... It's not helping the OP's argument in my opinion.
 
I mean, I guess I can comment on one thing in this thread, and that is Type 2 isn't possible with the argument I gave. It being capable of affecting things beyond the spatial-temporal existence of the Naruto Universe isn't evidence of Type 2 since Type 2 isn't dependent on spatial-temporal existence, not in this sense at least. You can have Type 3 and still affect things across space and time as what Concept "types" are is distinct from dimensional distance. It's your ability to manipulate a select property in your sphere of influence. If your manipulation of this select property isn't Universal, as in affecting the eternity of that property, it can't be Type 2. Nothing about affecting Life and Death across space and time implies you're capable of manipulating the properties of Life and Death entirely, it's a non sequitur to assert otherwise.

So even if this was considered as Conceptual Manipulation, it wouldn't be Type 2. It would be at best Type 3.
 
Disagree with everything. Idk how the mods still haven't closed this.

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So even if this was considered as Conceptual Manipulation, it wouldn't be Type 2. It would be at best Type 3.
Nah, it doens't scale to anything abt concept tho

The main thing abt this statement are clearly saying that rinnegan jutsu cannot be restrained by the soul of life or death

For example of the jutsu is when nagato revive the whole village he killed

The conclucion just merely says that rinnegan justu can affect to death person or living beings
 
Disagree with everything. Idk how the mods still haven't closed this.

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Just trying to give the OP one last chance to comment. If it's nothing new then I'll close the thread. I just don't want to shut it down and then someone takes issue that I didn't give them a chance to respond.
 
Man, the idea of giving Rinnegan users Conceptual Manipulation of any kind because they have dominion over "life and death" is the literal equivalent of giving a serial killer Death Manipulation or a doctor Life Manipulation...

The statements are purely flowery, and indicate nothing beyond the fact that the Rinnegan provides a lot of esoteric bullshit that can influence the life and death of others. Many of the Rinnegan's abilities are deadly, on a mass scale. He can nuke entire villages, suck people's souls in like 3 different ways, etc.
Likewise, he can "affect life" because he has multiple ways to revive people.

It's really not that deep.
 
Just trying to give the OP one last chance to comment. If it's nothing new then I'll close the thread. I just don't want to shut it down and then someone takes issue that I didn't give them a chance to respond.
It seems the op won't respond any other comment again

Yesterday he post some goofy video in his tiktok, and when i ask him, "How about conceptual manipulation of the Rinnegan in your vsbw thread?"

He simplely respond "Shut up" And some blubbering word like a kid

Maybe you can just close this thread
 
Well, I think enough time has passed and if the OP has any new arguments they can make a new thread given this one is using ones that aren't supporting Type 2 conceptual manipulation. Plus, it's rejected by majority here so I'll just close it now.
 
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