Adam (Hazbin Hotel) VS Battles Page

[Zabazab]

Damage that should be impossible unless that barrier is holy by your logic.

Self-inflicted damage is not impossible by my logic.

If Vaggie cut her face the mask would've shown it

Why? It covers the face.

 

[ShionAH]

Well we probably shouldn't ******* use them then lol

but like...they are plot points in the episodes like in episode 7

if we assume Angels dont have Immo or Invulnerability then episode 3 and 7 are just...wrong

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Plus, the rubble didn't only damage Lute's face, her legs were also bleeding

 

[ShionAH]

Plus, the rubble didn't only damage Lute's face, her legs were also bleeding

Its angelic rubble obviously

 

[Lynieryz]

The two bruises on Lute's face are clearly cuts. I guarantee you that if the rubble were capable of causing damage at that level to Lute, her face wouldn't just have two cuts; at the very least, her whole face would be bleeding.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Self-inflicted damage is not impossible by my logic.

sigh we really should just get someone into this who knows invulnerability crap lol

Why? It covers the face.

The mask would've had a visible cut in it and maybe even would've had some blood on it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

but like...they are plot points in the episodes like in episode 7

if we assume Angels dont have Immo or Invulnerability then episode 3 and 7 are just...wrong

I think Angels have Immortality though lol

 

[ShionAH]

I think Angels have Immortality though lol

then why do you think they were stated to be invulnerable? we clearly see that Adam was "invulnerable" to everyone expect lucifer.

 

[DaReaperMan]

then why do you think they were stated to be invulnerable? we clearly see that Adam was "invulnerable" to everyone expect lucifer.

I disagree with Invulnerability not Immortality

 

[ShionAH]

I disagree with Invulnerability not Immortality

yeah but we see Adam was not hurt by anyone other than Lucifer and angelic weapons

 

[DaReaperMan]

yeah but we see Adam was not hurt by anyone other than Lucifer and angelic weapons

He was moved by shit like Alastor's shadows, which uh

I think Invulnerability should be closer to Senator Armstrong-ing everything

 

[Zabazab]

The mask would've had a visible cut in it and maybe even would've had some blood on it.

You don't need to break a mask to break the skin undeneath it, can confirm, have faceplanted with a mask on before.

sigh we really should just get someone into this who knows invulnerability crap lol

Invulnerability is one of those powers that's incredibly case-by-case.

It can appear like total immovability, or just negate damage while retaining force.

I'd liken Angel's to the invul of Cursed Spirits in JJK– they can be beaten up, tossed around, blown away, but never take actual damage unless an attack was imbued with Cursed Energy (or in this case, Angelic Power).

 

[ShionAH]

He was moved by shit like Alastor's shadows, which uh

I mean he was not hurt by it at all, he didnt feel pain nor did it affect his body in anyway

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Plus, the rubble didn't only damage Lute's face, her legs were also bleeding

 

[DaReaperMan]

You don't need to break a mask to break the skin undeneath it, can confirm, have faceplanted with a mask on before.

Normally that's losing skin, etc. Not a perfect cut.

Invulnerability is one of those powers that's incredibly case-by-case.

It can appear like total immovability, or just negate damage while retaining force.

I'd liken Angel's to the invul of Cursed Spirits in JJK– they can be beaten up, tossed around, blown away, but never take actual damage unless an attack was imbued with Cursed Energy (or in this case, Angelic Power).

We really need a staff in here to decide this because I don't really agree lll

 

[Thelastmlg]

Okay so i missed a lot, we got 4 new pages, any page we agreed on using? And what are we discussing?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Okay so i missed a lot, we got 4 new pages, any page we agreed on using?

Nifty God Tier

 

[ShionAH]

Okay so i missed a lot, we got 4 new pages, any page we agreed on using? And what are we discussing?

We are discussing Invunlerability rn.

 

[ShionAH]

Would Angels have Immo 2 since Lute survived with no arm

 

[DaReaperMan]

Would Angels have Immo 2 since Lute survived with no arm

I think that'd be fair

 

[ShionAH]

So guys

What if we just make the Invulnerability likely/possibly? Would everyone be okay with that

 

[DaReaperMan]

So guys

What if we just make the Invulnerability likely/possibly? Would everyone be okay with that

I don't mind

Like, I don't like it, but I see the reason it'd be there

 

[PonePoster]

Would Angels have Immo 2 since Lute survived with no arm

Yes, even Sinners can survive fatal wounds without dying, and in episode 3 Velvette said that one of her models needed to "put herself together" after Val had torn her apart in a rage.

 

[ShionAH]

Oh shit we need the energy blast calculation to add the profile : /

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh shit we need the energy blast calculation to add the profile : /

Yep, and we need it eval'd too. So there's 2 Adam feats to do and one is uncalced

 

[Zabazab]

Rewatched episode 7, Alastor specifically refers to Angels as "indestructable".

I just think that the unkillable-ness of Angels compared to Demons being that they just have the same immortalities as sinners makes little sense narratively.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Ogg file for Adam's quote

Adam (Hazbin Hotel)

Adam is the main antagonist of the first season of Hazbin Hotel As the first human man,[3] Adam holds a large amount of prestige in Heaven, having been appointed as the head of the Exorcists in order to defend Heaven.[4] Adam, upon being borderline antagonized multiple times targets the Hazbin...

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[Eden_Warlock99]

Rewatched episode 7, Alastor specifically refers to Angels as "indestructable".

I just think that the unkillable-ness of Angels compared to Demons being that they just have the same immortalities as sinners makes little sense narratively.

I think we can have Angels as like no-sell above Sinners, maybe even Overlords*
Then they'd be regarded as invincible without getting an ability that would let em no-sell 3-A and higher attacks

 

[Zabazab]

I think we can have Angels as like no-sell above Sinners, maybe even Overlords*
Then they'd be regarded as invincible without getting an ability that would let em no-sell 3-A and higher attacks

So they're a no-sell above Overlords, but can't even scratch Alastor's shield, and can have their sword-swing caught by Angel Dust?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So they're a no-sell above Overlords, but can't even scratch Alastor's shield, and can have their sword-swing caught by Angel Dust?

Alastor is leagues above your typical Overlord and I'm pretty sure Angel Dust blocking the sword-swing is more due to the gun's durability, kinda like Connie's blocks

 

[Zabazab]

Alastor is leagues above your typical Overlord and I'm pretty sure Angel Dust blocking the sword-swing is more due to the gun's durability, kinda like Connie's blocks

There isn't really anything putting Alastor significantly above the current Overlords I believe? He was strangely nervous around Zestial and Carmilla was unimpressed by his return.

But more importantly Alastor also needed to use Angelic Weapons on the Exorcists, and he himself calls them indestructable.

It can't be a stat-diff if the Exorcists can't scratch Alastor's barrier, while Alastor himself considers them indestructable.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Alastor has magic and was stated to be in the same ballpark as Stolas, so lad is definitely above your average Warlord.
I think Charlie calls them that and Alastor says that they might not be so, but even still, Stone Walls exist lol

 

[ShionAH]

Alastor has magic and was stated to be in the same ballpark as Stolas

no not really, Viv simply said stolas was stronger

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Personally, I would have the 2nd Quote end with the "until we kill 'em again!" but that's just me

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can someone get me a scan of Adam's big ass beam so I can get it calced?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Can someone get me a scan of Adam's big ass beam so I can get it calced?

 

[SlendVeny]

Its obvious Vivi has no idea how her own ******* statements work lmao

Was that stuff stated by WOG? Otherwise, it could just be unreliable narrator moments from the weapons dealer. Imo, the statements could be interpreted as durability vs invulnerability.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

invulnerability when heavily inconsistent

 

[SlendVeny]

invulnerability when heavily inconsistent

Unironically think we should get rid of Invulnerability. It's pretty much just cracked-out damage reduction + high durability anyway.

 

[ShionAH]

Was that stuff stated by WOG? Otherwise, it could just be unreliable narrator moments from the weapons dealer. Imo, the statements could be interpreted as durability vs invulnerability.

alastor and Charlie say the same thing