Across the Mario-Verse [2-A God Tier Upgrades & Cosmology]

[Mephistus]

This blog outlines why the cosmology should hold infinite universes and why some people should scale.

If we have character profiles for Luigi, Peach, or Bowser eventually being made for their paper counterparts then this tier upgrade would apply to them as well with a Pure Hearts key

 

[Omnificence]

This blog outlines why the cosmology should hold infinite universes and why some people should scale.

If we have character profiles for Luigi, Peach, or Bowser eventually being made for their paper counterparts then this tier upgrade would apply to them as well with a Pure Hearts key.

Makes sense. I mean, Dimentio's profile states If Dimentio had not been defeated by the Four Heroes of Light, he would have destroyed all worlds and possibilities in the Mario universe.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Nice one, Mephistus!

I agree.

 

[Da3ggman]

Following, but count me as agreeing for now.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Looks alright, I'm in agreement for now.

 

[Eseseso]

Agree!

 

[StretchSebe]

I would agree. Most of this is sound

Only thing I'd say is Dream Depot should probably be mentioned at the least due to how important dreams are to cosmology, given it connects various parts of the cosmology involving dreams across the games.

Also maybe the Dream Machine from Super Mario Bros 2 that sustains good dreams. These opinions of mine don't change the fact that I agree: I think it they're just some smaller, but important things that could be added to fill in smaller gaps given Mario Party 5 is mentioned (Dream Depot), and the stuff with Wart and SMB2 is too (Dream Machine).

 

[KLOL506]

@Planck69 @Theglassman12 @Emirp sumitpo @KingTempest @UchihaSlayer96 @LephyrTheRevanchist @Armorchompy @Lonkitt @DarkGrath @FinePoint @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Celestial_Pegasus @Firestorm808 @Maverick_Zero_X @Colonel_Krukov @Mr._Bambu @Everything12 @Qawsedf234 @Abstractions @Sir_Ovens @ByAsura @Starter_Pack @Just_a_Random_Butler @Agnaa What do you think?

 

[KLOL506]

@Dereck03 Tagging you separately in one last attempt to see if you get notifications or not... and to get your evaluation on this thread.

 

[Armorchompy]

I dunno. The reasoning makes sense, it seems a bit weird to update a whole verse based on what is essentially just an endless side mode of a game. Neutral I guess.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

As someone who has been hearing discussions about this, it has my approval as well.

 

[Planck69]

Looks good for now.

 

[AStrangeverse]

oh lord, hella agree

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

Holy
Crap
Lois

I agree. Been in the 2-A Mario believer for a while. The infinite stuff is legit in LM2 and i dont see why not.

 

[AStrangeverse]

I'm assuming Dream Team remains 2-B?

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

I'm assuming Dream Team remains 2-B?

Yuh

 

[KingTempest]

I dunno. The reasoning makes sense, it seems a bit weird to update a whole verse based on what is essentially just an endless side mode of a game. Neutral I guess.

Same for me

 

[Da3ggman]

I dunno. The reasoning makes sense, it seems a bit weird to update a whole verse based on what is essentially just an endless side mode of a game. Neutral I guess.

Same for me

That's Mario for ya

 

[ZespeonGalaxy]

@Dereck03 Tagging you separately in one last attempt to see if you get notifications or not... and to get your evaluation on this thread.

this banner is insane

 

[Armorchompy]

I dunno. The reasoning makes sense, it seems a bit weird to update a whole verse based on what is essentially just an endless side mode of a game. Neutral I guess.

Thinking on this, I would personally prefer if 2-A remained just a possibly or a likely. I'm not going to push for it, Mario cosmology isn't something I have a stake in, but I would prefer if it was listed that way.

 

[Omnificence]

Thinking on this, I would personally prefer if 2-A remained just a possibly or a likely. I'm not going to push for it, Mario cosmology isn't something I have a stake in, but I would prefer if it was listed that way.

So, is that a weak agree or still neutral for now?

 

[Armorchompy]

More of a very very light disagree.

 

[Starsprite53]

I agree, but smh adding the infinite paint argument would be better

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Think a "likely" is best here

 

[Dust_Collector]

I'm in the same boat, all the information presented is clear cut and makes sense but since it's from a goofy little side mode I'm not entirely sold on a straight rating. But there's nothing going against it so likely 2-A seems perfectly fine.

 

[JJSliderman]

Possibly/Likely 2-A seems okay, although some aspects could be interpreted in other ways (endless dream could refer to a dream that will exist forever as opposed to an infinite size dream, and games like Dream Team show that multiple dreams can coexist in the same overall space as shown by the Mt. Pajamaja Pi’illos and how Big Massif’s dream exists within dreamy Wakeport, which somewhat contradicts the idea of an individual world for every dreamer). But since there is an endless ghost count and endless is a synonym for infinite, it seems okay.

 

[Omnificence]

Is there anything we could do to get it to "At least 2-A"?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Unless you wanna bring up some whacky higher dimensional stuff in here we ain't throwing an "at least" on the 2-A rating.

 

[Omnificence]

Unless you wanna bring up some whacky higher dimensional stuff in here we ain't throwing an "at least" on the 2-A rating.

What sort of "whacky higher dimensional stuff" are we talking about?

 

[Bobsican]

I agree with the proposals, most of the stuff is already accepted, and the overall confirmation of the size of the cosmology being 2-A seems quite simple to accept.

 

[Omnificence]

I was gonna bring in Mario's Cutout ability to see if we could get a higher result, but I'll save that for another thread.

 

[Dust_Collector]

I don't think the cutout stuff would matter anyway since I don't think we could apply it to dreams or say that the destruction of all worlds that the Chaos Heart was gonna pull off extended to whatever the cutout stuff would bring.

 

[Lou_change]

I agree with 2-A

 

[Omnificence]

I don't think the cutout stuff would matter anyway since I don't think we could apply it to dreams or say that the destruction of all worlds that the Chaos Heart was gonna pull off extended to whatever the cutout stuff would bring.

Just hear me out on this in a future thread, okay? I have a few ideas in mind with this.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Looks good to me

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Agree with likely/possibly 2-A.

 

[Dereck03]

Agree with likely/possibly 2-A.

I agree with this stance, whatever is best or accurate will be applied.

 

[Bobsican]

By current tiering standards, "At least" is only used when there's substantial proof to claim a character could be in an higher tier.

For here it'd be Low 1-C, so unless you want to argue for tier 1 Mario, I'd just stick to regular 2-A.

 

[Omnificence]

By current tiering standards, "At least" is only used when there's substantial proof to claim a character could be in an higher tier.

For here it'd be Low 1-C, so unless you want to argue for tier 1 Mario, I'd just stick to regular 2-A.

Yeah, I'm saving the whole Low 1-C for another thread.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

seems fine to me