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Acnologia Upgrade
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Including Gajeel- the dude who managed to match Bradman? Or Laxus who managed to match and pressure Wahl while basically being half dead? Hell even Wendy managed to put up a decent fight against base Dimaria. Point is while Serena is powerful he's not so much stronger than the other slayers.
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Whether hes much stronger or not much stronger is irrelevent.
MY point is that a weaker acno rekt someone above the DS besides natsu
MY point is that a weaker acno rekt someone above the DS besides natsu
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I agree with Aizen here regarding scaling all the Dragon Slayers. That would lead to a ton of scaling issues as well.
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Yes, he does. It gave him a power boost(As we saw when he unleashed "Eternal Flare") and time and space magic.KuuIchigo said:
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Hopefully not, this should only apply to a handful of characters. If it gets through that is-BANLK- said:
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I think the only ones who should be High 6-B is Igneel, Acno and 7FD Natsu, as well as Fairy Heart Zeref with Etherion.
Fairy Heart without Etherion shouldn't be that high(I think). Same goes to FDK+ DF Natsu.
Fairy Heart without Etherion shouldn't be that high(I think). Same goes to FDK+ DF Natsu.
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@Kuul when Natsu consumes a cyrstal infused with some of Etherion's magic Erza specifically notes that Etherion is made up of multiple elements- but all Natsu gained was a power boost. My reason for referencing that event is that consuming an unusual substance doesn't necessarily give the dragon slayer control over that substance- this only seems to happen when its other slayers. Acnologia does mention the potency of the ROT but like u said he never uses time magic, but he also mentions that he's more powerful than b4 http://m.*************/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c539/6.html
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Yes, Eternal Flare isn't "time" magic. That is my point. By eating RoT Acno got not only a power boost(as stated by himself - he said "my magic power is overflowing") but "time magic" too. But Time magic has nothing to do with this discussion since it is hax, and we are discussing the power boost that Acno got.KuuIchigo said:
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Yes he can absorb "all" magic, but that doesn't mean he can use all magic. In fact the only attacks we ever see Acnologia use a simple energy projection attacks and physical attacksKuuIchigo said:
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Shouldn't get back to the subject at hand. And that is Etherion. It was stated to be able to destroy a country in one attack. It was very blatant. It wasn't like it said "It's very powerful. I might be able to even destroy a country with its power." No Mavis bluntly states "And one attack from that weapon could wipe out an entire country." This wouldn't be the first time we've accepted statements like this for a series. Of course two wrongs don't make a right, but then is issue is deciding whether this is actually a wrong.
Here is the scan: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6_9Bbz-qha4/Ve0M-TJK0YI/AAAAAAACojc/5_V6DJYztCM/s16000-Ic42/012.jpg
Here is the scan: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6_9Bbz-qha4/Ve0M-TJK0YI/AAAAAAACojc/5_V6DJYztCM/s16000-Ic42/012.jpg
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How is that "too much assumption." It's pretty blatant. You are literally nitpicking here.
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Irene has a high 6b feat- yes it required "prep" but said prep was very brief and only required time to activate, she then held the effect of this spell whilst fighting Acnologia, fighting Erza, enchanting approximately a million soldiers, a spriggan and separating FH from Mavis all the while never showing any signs of exhaustion.
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Her statements have been backed up by a lot of characters throughout the manga. Hell, Fairy Heart used the "Etherion" argument so we could powerscale, and yet you say it's not legit? Etherion was introduced back in Tower of Heaven, and even back then it stated to have this power.
Even the "Dragon Cry" movie used Etherion as a powerscaler(Dragon cry being several times stronger than Etherion or something). So I don't understand how a "country busting weapon" that hasn't been used on screen is not a country buster :/
Even the "Dragon Cry" movie used Etherion as a powerscaler(Dragon cry being several times stronger than Etherion or something). So I don't understand how a "country busting weapon" that hasn't been used on screen is not a country buster :/
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Someone who agrees with me... I am not crying... I swear...LordAizenSama said:
Referring on god serena's strength
Also I agree with Azien scailing Natsu from that feat is ridiculous as if you look at the chapter Acnologia didn't suffer any damage he probably just dissapeared because of his mind becoming unstable and he no longer was able to control that power.
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WilliamShadow, so are you suggesting that instead of Natsu defeating Acno he simply dissapeared because plot hole?
I will have to disagree on that. It was shown how Acno tried to defend himself from Natsu's punch, he even realized that he couldn't block it due to Igneel tearing his arm off. Yes, he died in a weird way, but that is simple aesthetics. Plus Acno himself said that Natsu is worth being called "the king" due to defeating him.
Also, your opinion would imply that Natsu didn't get revenge on Acno in the end, even though Hiro heavily implied that.
I will have to disagree on that. It was shown how Acno tried to defend himself from Natsu's punch, he even realized that he couldn't block it due to Igneel tearing his arm off. Yes, he died in a weird way, but that is simple aesthetics. Plus Acno himself said that Natsu is worth being called "the king" due to defeating him.
Also, your opinion would imply that Natsu didn't get revenge on Acno in the end, even though Hiro heavily implied that.
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Don't also forget August's suicide magic which was going to vaporize the whole country as well.
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1. It's not a plot hole as it was clearly said the mind of Acnologia was inside the ravines of time to keep under control his power so when his mind got "broken" it has perfect sense that he lost control and died.
2.Acnologia knew he couldn't block the hit, but he was also clearly showing that he was about to destroy Natsu if he was able to move also and he called Natsu the King because of Natsu's bond with other dragon slayers as "bonds" is basically fairy tail in a nutshell.
3.Natsu getting his revenge and that revenge being done thx to PIS are two separated things and again as I said and proved Acnologia received 0 Damage from his attack something that never happened in FT manga when someone is defeated.
4. If people want to scale Natsu with power of other dragon slayers with Acnologia i wont bother my self with it, but we all know (even those that don't want to accept it) that it's pure bs and PIS.
2.Acnologia knew he couldn't block the hit, but he was also clearly showing that he was about to destroy Natsu if he was able to move also and he called Natsu the King because of Natsu's bond with other dragon slayers as "bonds" is basically fairy tail in a nutshell.
3.Natsu getting his revenge and that revenge being done thx to PIS are two separated things and again as I said and proved Acnologia received 0 Damage from his attack something that never happened in FT manga when someone is defeated.
4. If people want to scale Natsu with power of other dragon slayers with Acnologia i wont bother my self with it, but we all know (even those that don't want to accept it) that it's pure bs and PIS.
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1)But the fact is that his "mind" is basically him in human form, a.k.a Acno himself.
2)Yes, Acnologia would most likely win if not for the help of Fairy Sphere. Acno is 400 years old and a lot more skilled than Natsu after all.
3)"said and proved". You didn't prove anything. What we saw was Acno getting defeated and then shattering. His Dragon Form also shattered afterwards. Why? Idk, maybe to keep it PG. Or maybe Hiro wanted for Acno to say his final words while dissapearing. But the fact that Acno "shattered" doesn't mean that he wasn't defeated by Natsu. Plus it would literraly be a plot hole if Natsu's power made 0 damage but made Acno unstable to the point of dissapearing.
Besides, villains die in different ways in FT. Some even don't have a body left. Fairy Tail is about magic, and is PG. No need to look at it more deeply than it is.
4)Opinions.
2)Yes, Acnologia would most likely win if not for the help of Fairy Sphere. Acno is 400 years old and a lot more skilled than Natsu after all.
3)"said and proved". You didn't prove anything. What we saw was Acno getting defeated and then shattering. His Dragon Form also shattered afterwards. Why? Idk, maybe to keep it PG. Or maybe Hiro wanted for Acno to say his final words while dissapearing. But the fact that Acno "shattered" doesn't mean that he wasn't defeated by Natsu. Plus it would literraly be a plot hole if Natsu's power made 0 damage but made Acno unstable to the point of dissapearing.
Besides, villains die in different ways in FT. Some even don't have a body left. Fairy Tail is about magic, and is PG. No need to look at it more deeply than it is.
4)Opinions.
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3. His body dissapeared because his mind did and the body wasn't able to control the power and yes I have proved it, there is no damage on him. Also Natsu being able to hurt Acnologia is a plot hole as Acnologia said to Laxus that he is immune in magic and in fact he was never damaged by a single magical attack trough out the entier series Natsu's final attack included. Acnologia's mind was unstable because he couldn't move anymore.
4. Not opinions but illusions and realty.
And don't use the stupid excuse of its a magical world... Find one opponent that died or lost a battle without scratch on them unless it was a clear sacrifice.
4. Not opinions but illusions and realty.
And don't use the stupid excuse of its a magical world... Find one opponent that died or lost a battle without scratch on them unless it was a clear sacrifice.
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3) You haven proven nothing. You just stated your opinion. The fact that he had "no damage" on him doesn't mean he wasn't damaged. It just means it was a one shot kill. Besides, your opinion of him simply being unstable and dissapearing due to that is even more illogical story and explanation wise.
4)Well, let's see... Silver dissapeared in the end. Atlas Flame dissapeared in the end, even Deliora from way back in the series crumbled to death. So no, not everyone dies and leaves a corpse.
And how do you plan to explain Acnologia's body dissapearing? His mind went unstable so he went "poof" and dissapeared?
4)Well, let's see... Silver dissapeared in the end. Atlas Flame dissapeared in the end, even Deliora from way back in the series crumbled to death. So no, not everyone dies and leaves a corpse.
And how do you plan to explain Acnologia's body dissapearing? His mind went unstable so he went "poof" and dissapeared?
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4. I said no damage not died without a corpse left and also your examples are poor.
Silver dissapear cause the person that revived him died, atlas flame overuse of his power, Deliora had his life force drained out by Ur.
5. Someone pointed out to me that Acnologia probably just overused his magic like August and that does have sense as he was spamming eternal flare while fighting dragon slayers and was trying to release himself from fairy sphere. http://m.*************/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c527/15.html Basically just like August he dissipates because he overused his powers and lost control over them.
Also totally quoting this.
"The fact that he had no damage on him doesn't mean he wasn't damaged."
P.S let's end it here as it's only two as discusing and other persons have to give their opinions on more important matter of Acnologia's scailing.
Silver dissapear cause the person that revived him died, atlas flame overuse of his power, Deliora had his life force drained out by Ur.
5. Someone pointed out to me that Acnologia probably just overused his magic like August and that does have sense as he was spamming eternal flare while fighting dragon slayers and was trying to release himself from fairy sphere. http://m.*************/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c527/15.html Basically just like August he dissipates because he overused his powers and lost control over them.
Also totally quoting this.
"The fact that he had no damage on him doesn't mean he wasn't damaged."
P.S let's end it here as it's only two as discusing and other persons have to give their opinions on more important matter of Acnologia's scailing.
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Alright, let's just agree to disagree.
And given the ending that FT got, I'm not surprised why some people have different opinions on what happened. We didn't get it really explained after all. A shame.
On topic: Ant, are we waiting for Aiden's response?
And given the ending that FT got, I'm not surprised why some people have different opinions on what happened. We didn't get it really explained after all. A shame.
On topic: Ant, are we waiting for Aiden's response?
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While it's true that Natsu didn't destroyed his body, Acno indeed was damaged (You can say by his expression right after the punch) as well as his expression when looking at Natsu's power.
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^What Ant said
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