Accelerator vs. Sebastian Shaw

[SuperKamiNappa]

Post-Headshot Base Accelerator
Sebastian Shaw

Speed Equalized

 

[Jackythejack]

What powers does Accelerator have in this form?

 

[Misogi2]

What powers does Accelerator have in this form?

Same as Pre-Headshot plus Regenerationn negation

 

[Malox1696]

i believe this is a stomp no way he can stall 30 minutes

 

[VoidGoji]

... You guys do know that Accel can access Black Wings even in base, right? He only needs to be enraged.

 

[Malox1696]

Even with or without wings is still a stomp, he can't stall 30 minutes

 

[VoidGoji]

Shaw or Accel?

 

[Schnee_One]

Even with or without wings is still a stomp, he can't stall 30 minutes

He means Shaw gets stomped

Which, he probably doesn't since he can't harm Shaw

 

[VoidGoji]

Eh... Accel could easily rip him apart tho

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Accel ignores dura if he gets a touch in.

 

[Misogi2]

But Shawn is invulnerable to any form of damage that is composed by a force. And vectors envolves force in its nature, meaning that Accel may not be able to harm him

 

[TacticalNuke002]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't help getting the electricity of the brain disrupted.

 

[Schnee_One]

It does when trying to disrupt brain particles puts down his shield.

 

[VoidGoji]

Bio electricity goes "no u" and shutsShaw down. Also, Accel is just manipulating Shaw's owm energy. Theres also the fact that Accel can literally go full rage and enter black wings.

 

[Schnee_One]

Which requires physical contact.

Something that won't happen when Shaw opens his hand and Accelerators Choker gets removed

Besides, manipulating his bioelectrocity by force is useless due to his immunity to force that isn't his own

Also, I don't know how specific the OP needs to be to say "Post Headshot base" to say he can't go Black Wings

 

[VoidGoji]

Sebastian doesn't know shit about the choker.

"Immunity"... Then Accel is immune to being affected since the "force" that Shaw uses to do this gets redirected. Also, Shaw can't resist vector manipulation that can easily achieve High 6-A levels.

 

[Misogi2]

Sebastian doesn't know shit about the choker.
"Immunity"... Then Accel is immune to being affected since the "force" that Shaw uses to do this gets redirected. Also, Shaw can't resist vector manipulation that can easily achieve High 6-A levels.

Shawn is not resistant, he is immune to any kind of force, including vectors

 

[Schnee_One]

Fair enough, I guess he stands there until it runs out of time.

I mean unless said vector manipulation is somehow able to not be physical force, I see no reason his immunity can't cover it

Unless you want to tell me that Accelerator can't resist a punch from a 5B

 

[VoidGoji]

Immunity is just NLF. Shawn gets screwed by anything beyond 7-B+ since thats the max he showed to be able to do.

And Accel's reflection case is different, since its literally stated to mess the direction part of the vector and disregard the force/energy part. Yet, we cap him at High 6-A since thats what he showed.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That is absolute nlf.

His "immunity" comes from absorbing the energy. Unless you want to claim he can absorb energy millions of times above what he has shown, he ain't tanking anything, or we would get to situations where he just absorbs a supernova because of his immunity.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And Accel changes the direction of the enrgy. That is not equatable to absorbing it.

 

[Schnee_One]

That's not true actually, 7B is his physical strength when punching or attacking, not his Durability

He even stated that the physical force of every single Nuke stacked together directly next to him would ultimately do nothing to him as it still qualifies as physical force.

Besides, this is Base Accel, his vectors are only baseline 7B.

 

[Schnee_One]

That is absolute nlf.

His "immunity" comes from absorbing the energy. Unless you want to claim he can absorb energy millions of times above what he has shown, he ain't tanking anything, or we would get to situations where he just absorbs a supernova because of his immunity.

Accelerator is baseline 7B, he's not tanking anything he hasn't shown.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It is because he absorbs the energy of a nuke and (potentially) releases it while punching.

That is still nlf.

 

[Schnee_One]

Its NLF sure, both of them

But in this case, Accelerator is only Baseline 7B, Shaw will have no problems absorbing

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Accelerator is baseline 7B, he's not tanking anything he hasn't shown.

Can you drop theobvious false equivalency? And can you actually give an argument on why this wouldn't be nlf instead of saying that someone with a completely different power isn't taken for it?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Its NLF sure, both of them
But in this case, Accelerator is only Baseline 7B, Shaw will have no problems absorbing

Again, False equivalency.

It has been discussed, and it's linked on his page, why the interpretation used isn't affected by NLF. Shaw has a completely different power.

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't see what false equivalency there is?

Accelerators moving a vector is force being changed.

Shaw is 7B, as is Accelerator.

Ignoring the NLF that he's immune to any physical force, Accelerator is still only baseline 7B, so his force isn't ridiculously above what Shaw has shown to absorb either

Plus, Accelerator can't actually see him from 4KM away and needs to physically touch to activate it.

Let's ignore how the abilities interact and explain how Accel will even get close

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The false equivalency that what accel does is not absorbing energy and storing it in his cells. Not all energy manipulation was created equal.

 

[VoidGoji]

Accel is baseline 7-B with no effort. He can easily go up to High 6-A on a whin (He literally did his High 6-A feat casually). He can and will overpower Shawn's absorption before the 30 minutes. Shawn is arrogant, Accel could land some hits. If he notices the absorption, he will just increase the power of his attacks until Shawn gets destroyed. Accel goes for the kill instead of just toying around.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And accel's own power can achieve far more, and he Shaw isn't going to play the range game from hundreds of meters away.

 

[Schnee_One]

Shaw' supposed 7B feat comes from moving, so no effort is on both their part.

His High 6A feat was after stopping the earths rotation.

Also, again, Accel can't see him from 4KM away

 

[VoidGoji]

And Accelerator can fly, dash, use wind and so on.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Which he can do here instead of just accepting death, yes.

Shaw can't see him either. They just walk up to each other.

 

[VoidGoji]

Accel didn't absorb the energy. He manipulated it, took it from Earth and transfered to a building.

 

[Schnee_One]

Wait a sec did I

<Realizes I forgot ehnhanced senses for Shaw

....****

Nvm, Accel wins

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Accel's vector manip shouldn't be tier dependant tbh.

 

[Schnee_One]

Accel's vector manip shouldn't be tier dependant tbh.

And yet he is limited because "Aiwass punched through it"

 

[VoidGoji]

Accel has AoE, range advantage, can attack with power way beyond Shawn's limits and so on. Also, Base Accel ragdolled Kazakiri and Gabriel with their own power.

 

[VoidGoji]

Aiwass' case was due to the reflection mechanics. WW3 Accel amd so on can actually reflect magic/unknown laws.