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Accelerator vs Mogami (0-1-7) Incon grace
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How does Pre Head shot stomp?
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Not even close to a stomp dude. Mogami as high regen. And 4 immortality types, not even mentioning his outstanding hax...
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Something not been seen doesn't equal that he can't do something. It would all depend on his understanding of his concept of spirits at that point in the story. And plus he doesn't always have to interact with things before they work either, Kakine's dark matter and the water spear are proof of this. Although you can put the latter down to him interacting with magic in his manga.
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Sorry. I misunderstood that. But I still don't think it's a stomp though. More like inconclusive.
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I would play it safe and say since nobody knows what would happen if Pre interacted with it, it'd likely react the same way magic did and he'd brush off rather than redirect.
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No it wasn't clearly physical.
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The point that people are making in terms of spirits is that it's unknown what would happen if a spirit interacted with Accel's reflection since it hasn't ever been shown in that regard. Accel's reflection is based on reality warping so it's unknown how it handles intangible things and we can't use Qliphah as an example since the reason she can bypass relfection is because of the contract and Accel allowing her to be able to go past his reflection, as evident with the fact she can touch him even in physical form and when he has his powers activated.
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DM didn't pass through, Kakine had to trick his filter for the DM to be able to pass through. Telesma was able to though but Telesma is also extremely divine in nature also, so that could have also been a factor as well.
You are also talking about two things that, one doesn't exsist and two as I said very divine in nature. Souls are neither of these things.
You are also talking about two things that, one doesn't exsist and two as I said very divine in nature. Souls are neither of these things.
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Kakine infused the light that passed through his wings with the 25K energys, and because none of that 25k existed before, they were not on the black list of the Vector Shield, but light was in the white list, if Accel had the knowledge back there, the 25k would be reflected.
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It doesn't matter whether or not Accel hadn't black listed Kakine's dark matter or not. Kakine couldn't bypass reflection until he figured out Accel's filtering system and used it for his dark matter to bypass. It was only through figuring out and abusing the filtering system that kakine's dark matter was able to get through.
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Also to add onto my previous reply. Accel's filter is not a black list but a white list. He white lists the things that are allowed to bypass his reflection, like light, gravity etc.
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Again, no that was not how it worked. Also I will repeat what I said above, Accel only has a white list which allows the things he needs to pass through, like light and gravity. He doesn't have a black list, so everything not on the white list will be reflected by his shield.
There is a reason why Kakine had to trick the white list because his 25,000 energies couldn't get through without doing so. This was literally explained in the text itself. If Kakine's 25,000 different energies could have just bypassed his reflection without using some cheap tricks, it would have done so from the very beginning.
Also on top of that what does this prove of Accel understanding souls or not? Souls are not a dark matter that doesn't exist nor is it divine energy, unless that being is divine itself and from what I am aware Mogami isn't divine. Souls aren't something that Accel would find hard to comprehend and understand.
There is a reason why Kakine had to trick the white list because his 25,000 energies couldn't get through without doing so. This was literally explained in the text itself. If Kakine's 25,000 different energies could have just bypassed his reflection without using some cheap tricks, it would have done so from the very beginning.
Also on top of that what does this prove of Accel understanding souls or not? Souls are not a dark matter that doesn't exist nor is it divine energy, unless that being is divine itself and from what I am aware Mogami isn't divine. Souls aren't something that Accel would find hard to comprehend and understand.
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What? The Clonoth had nothing to do with him understanding souls or not. Accel already knew that Coronzon need to be seperated from her physical body even before the Clonoth as Qliphah had already told him such. The reason he needed the clonoth was one, he was no where near Coronzon at the time he removed her soul from her physical body so need to use holism so powerful that it not only knocked her soul out of her physical body but also shook the galaxy.
The clonoth was more him being able to understand the inner workings of the universe and magic which allowed him to embed the third tree without destroying the other two trees which would have been disastrous as destroy one destroys half the universe.
The clonoth was more him being able to understand the inner workings of the universe and magic which allowed him to embed the third tree without destroying the other two trees which would have been disastrous as destroy one destroys half the universe.
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Not true. What happened is he was transforming those energies into matter that was deemed harmless to him so it would by pass his filter while infusing it with properties that were actually harmful. It was a trick to bypass his field. Basically, he went 'Light is treated as not harmful, right? So I'm gonna use that filter and abuse it'. It wasn't so much that his dark matter was 'unknown', because it's only unknown until he MAKES it. That's the basis of it, and even then the way he patched it up was he included Kakine's process of creation to override the backdoor Kakine had found through his filter.XDragnoir said:
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Bump
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Bump
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Same filter as always, so yes. It would likely register as an Esper power.
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Yes he should be able to resist.Epiccheev said:
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The discussion is mainly about that
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He has none pretty much. It's a mismatch/incon since I don't think pre has the versatility of posts vector control to produce a possible incap.
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He doesn't have any this is Incon, meaning neither wins.Malox1696 said:
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Post Headshot Accel would pretty much counter Mogami due to High regen negation, but sometime I'll give it a try. What about Kakine vs Mogami?
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Is this Dark Matter Kakine or Normal Kakine?
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Depends which one would be better
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Well I think Mogami would beat Normal Kakine but I think it would most likely be incon with dark matter Kakine. Both can regenerate to high levels so really it would be a never ending match really.
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Mogami attempts to possess Kakine and gets purged by the DM network
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Probably loses via mind hax since he's susceptible to it, but Mogami might get singled out and crushed via the network ganging up on him instead, since I don't think Mogami has the authority to override the entire DM network compared to Kakine on Kakine.
I would vote more for Mogami or another incon. Normal Kakine would lose hard though, Dark Matter would go either way in terms of incon or loss but only through mind hax maybe.
I would vote more for Mogami or another incon. Normal Kakine would lose hard though, Dark Matter would go either way in terms of incon or loss but only through mind hax maybe.
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I think Mogami would have the better win con via Mind hax in terms of Mogami vs. Dark Matter Kakine. There is also the possibilty of Kakine losing due to himself as well as his own dark matter clomes can take over.
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